X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com
X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0	tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE
X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org
X-RZG-AUTH: :Ln4Re0+Ic/6oZXR1YgKryK8brksyK8dozXDwHXjf9hj/zDNRb/Q45hFP
X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00
From: Bruno Haible <bruno AT clisp DOT org>
To: Charles Wilson <cygwin AT cwilson DOT fastmail DOT fm>,
        Bernhard Voelker <bernhard DOT voelker AT siemens-enterprise DOT com>
Subject: Re: cygwin started speaking German today
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:46:22 +0200
User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.37.6-0.5-desktop; KDE/4.6.0; x86_64; ; )
Cc: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com, bug-gnu-gettext AT gnu DOT org
References: <7856072A9D04C24B82DFE2B1112FE38A0C27492B56 AT MCHP058A DOT global-ad DOT net> <4E6828B0 DOT 4060807 AT cwilson DOT fastmail DOT fm>
In-Reply-To: <4E6828B0.4060807@cwilson.fastmail.fm>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Message-Id: <201109081246.23238.bruno@clisp.org>
Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm
List-Id: <cygwin.cygwin.com>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:cygwin-subscribe AT cygwin DOT com>
List-Archive: <http://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin/>
List-Post: <mailto:cygwin AT cygwin DOT com>
List-Help: <mailto:cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com>, <http://sourceware.org/ml/#faqs>
Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com
Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com

Bernhard Voelker wrote:
> > Starting with today's update, cygwin started speaking German:
> > 
> > $ mkdir -v x0
> > mkdir: Verzeichnis „x0“ angelegt
> > $ LANG=C mkdir -v x2
> > mkdir: created directory `x2'
> > $ LANG=C.UTF-8 mkdir -v x1
> > mkdir: Verzeichnis „x1“ angelegt
> > 
> > Default is LANG=C.UTF-8 here.
> > 
> > Ok, the PC is in Germany, but none of my environment
> > variables have a 'de' inside.

This is as it should be. See the NEWS entry from the gettext package:

* Runtime behaviour:
  - On MacOS X and Windows systems, <libintl.h> now extends setlocale() and
    newlocale() so that their determination of the default locale considers
    the choice the user has made in the system control panels.

'mkdir' is a GNU coreutils programs, which uses <libintl.h>, so it gets
the benefit of libintl enhancements.

After Cygwin 1.7 added working locales and defined LANG=C.UTF-8 for all users,
libintl could be extended to respect the choices the user has made in the
system control panels.

Charles Wilson writes:
> I can reproduce this behavior; the workaround for now is to use $LC_ALL
> or $LC_CTYPE instead of $LANG.

Which of the three environment variables you use, should not make a difference.
If it does, it's a bug in libintl or in the program. Can you show how to
reproduce this, please?

> I'm not real clear on how to fix it.

There is nothing to "fix". Users who don't want internationalization system-wide
can set their locale in the "Regional Settings" control panel to English.
Users who want to have a German Windows but a non-internationalized Cygwin can
set LANG=C or LC_ALL=C - exactly like POSIX specifies.

> I've attached a compressed copy of the setlocale implementation, if
> anybody (CALL FOR HELP) can suggest a mechanism -- or better, provide a
> patch -- to make libintl_setlocale Do The Right Thing on cygwin.

There is nothing to change in cygwin's setlocale implementation, nor in
libintl_setlocale. Both are POSIX compliant. The one in libintl is more
adequate for internationalized programs (given the fact that Cygwin sets
LANG to C.UTF-8 and not de_DE.UTF-8 as would be appropriate in a German
environment).

Bruno
-- 
In memoriam Elisabeth von Thadden <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_von_Thadden>

--
Problem reports:       http://cygwin.com/problems.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple