X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org From: "Markus Hoenicka" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19630.18156.687137.601607@yeti.mininet> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 00:17:16 +0200 To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: Looking for experienced CygWin Users In-Reply-To: References: <29894398 DOT post AT talk DOT nabble DOT com> <376593050 DOT 20101006200403 AT mtu-net DOT ru> X-Df-Sender: 472582 X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com David Antliff writes: > What a disappointing trail of negativity and discouragement. > > Isn't the need to create a separate, hopefully more welcoming > environment now painfully obvious? > At first sight, you may be right. However, the OP's approach was a bit strange as well. He silently created a forum and started to recruit forum moderators on this list while trying (to no avail) to hide the forum from the readers of this list. A better, and less offensive, approach might have been to discuss the benefits of such a forum beforehand, and if there was demand for such a thing, to set it up using Cygwin's (or RedHat's, fwiw) resources. I read from the OP's plans that he assumes that the mailing list and the documentation lacks a certain amount of hand-holding for less experienced users. Question is, why is there a lack? Is that because everyone is trying to be mean? I can't recall a single case where hand-holding was discouraged officially on this list. I reckon it just didn't happen because no one cared to provide hand-holding. However, this doesn't mean that hand-holding cannot be provided on this list, or within the resources of this project. As the OP cannot have assumed that the core developers would spend their time answering forum questions in addition to taking care of the mailing list, it was clearly intended as a forum run by less-experienced users for less-experienced users. However, I feel that those who the OP tried to lure away to his forum may as well step up here and provide improved support. This should not be a matter of where you send your replies to. just my 2 pence Markus -- Markus Hoenicka http://www.mhoenicka.de AQ score 38 -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple