X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Message-ID: <4C6D17E0.5010506@blunn.org> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:39:12 +0100 From: William Blunn <bill+cygwin AT blunn DOT org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Bug tracker (was: ImageMagick: More insufficient package dependencies) References: <4C6C1B01 DOT 4020808 AT blunn DOT org> <20100818182641 DOT GB22698 AT ednor DOT casa DOT cgf DOT cx> <4C6C4372 DOT 2070701 AT blunn DOT org> <20100818205009 DOT GK11340 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> In-Reply-To: <20100818205009.GK11340@calimero.vinschen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: <cygwin.cygwin.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:cygwin-subscribe AT cygwin DOT com> List-Archive: <http://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin/> List-Post: <mailto:cygwin AT cygwin DOT com> List-Help: <mailto:cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com>, <http://sourceware.org/ml/#faqs> Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com On 18/08/2010 21:50, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Aug 18 21:32, William Blunn wrote: > >> On 18/08/2010 19:26, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 06:40:17PM +0100, William Blunn wrote: >>> >>>> My apologies to all the folks NOT involved in maintaining the ImageMagick package, but there doesn't appear to be any defined process for reporting bugs which might narrow down the attention-grab to a more relevant set of people. >>>> >>> Actually, this is the defined way to report bugs in a cygwin package. >>> >> Ahhhh I see. It's /defined/ to be mediocre. >> >> Rather than attempting to solve the problem head-on, redefine the >> problem domain so that the problem is already solved. >> >> Inspired. >> > Is there something in the water lately, which makes people on the list more aggressive than usual? > > It hasn't been redefined at all. Quite right. I think I wasn't intending to imply that the situation had been literally *re* defined to something other than what it was originally, but rather to speak in a metaphor, which I can see now wasn't clear. My mistake. > It's the common way of reporting problems for a long time: http://cygwin.com/problems.html > Key point here being "for a long time". Cygwin's development and maintenance environment has, as far as I can see, stood still, or at least moved only very little over the years, whilst the rest of the world moved forward and got useful thinks like bug trackers. To me, compared to the rest of the world (and I'm thinking about things like Sourceforge and Google Code), the Cygwin development and maintenance environment looks quite dated. I realise that I am going to look like the bad guy by being critical. I have had people criticise me in the past. Whilst I may have been annoyed at the time, on some occasions, after reflection, I realised that the person was right and I made changes for the better. > If you don't like it, I'm sorry. Are you going to volunteer to maintain a Cygwin packages bug-tracking system? > That is an interesting point. The thought had crossed my mind that I could set up my own bug tracker, and that this might actually be useful to the project. To be sure, I had wondered if I could set up such a system and include a moderate amount of advertising on the site and that this might prove to be a moderately profitable activity. But, having a sniff round, it seems that Cygwin operates under the sourceware.org umbrella. And sourceware.org also seems to cover GCC. And GCC appears to have a Bugzilla. So I am wondering that server resource is not the issue. Would I be correct in thinking that? It might be helpful if I could be clear what the reasons for not having a bug tracker are. I could take a stab as: 1. It is not the feeling of the Cygwin maintainers that a bug tracker would provide a significantly better solution than the current mailing list solution 2. There is not any human resource around to do the top-level maintenance of such a system I would be interested to know if tallies with your thinking or whether I have gotten something wrong or missed something. Bill -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple