X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com From: Lapo Luchini Subject: Re: The C locale Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:59:25 +0200 Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <416096c60908300959i1e0084b1xc8f6e65e792b035d AT mail DOT gmail DOT com> <20090831005258 DOT GG2068 AT ednor DOT casa DOT cgf DOT cx> <416096c60909012329l2f25e735yc07145b8d6698cda AT mail DOT gmail DOT com> <3f0ad08d0909020656v7d9fce6ft4afea63ed363b9a9 AT mail DOT gmail DOT com> <416096c60909071308qc5ff057sbe9cb1dbc270554f AT mail DOT gmail DOT com> <20090908193456 DOT GC17515 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <416096c60909081449r1fe024dbm7b82a3719be05e9e AT mail DOT gmail DOT com> <20090921103758 DOT GE20981 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <416096c60909211420g4ac8ea93l80fc1f00dcd5c0f3 AT mail DOT gmail DOT com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig731F0E5964F1ED02D2A31ED9" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090812 Thunderbird/2.0.0.23 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 In-Reply-To: <416096c60909211420g4ac8ea93l80fc1f00dcd5c0f3@mail.gmail.com> OpenPGP: id=C8F252FB; url=http://www.lapo.it/pgpkey.txt X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com --------------enig731F0E5964F1ED02D2A31ED9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy Koppe wrote: > This way, the non-ASCII needs of most users are covered > out-of-the-box [...] > Windows filenames show up correctly in Cygwin as long as they're > limited to the ANSI codepage. I fail to see how that is a desiderable thing. Filesystem is UTF-16, Cygwin is now Unicode-aware, but anything that doesn't fit ANSI is thrown away for the sake of retro-compatibility of Cygwin-1.5 which was not Unicode-aware? As a user, the ability to show correctly formatted UTF-8 filenames is one of the features I most appreciated in Cygwin-1.7 and reverting that would be a serious setback... even writing that in a ChangeLog would be a bit troublesome... "we added support for Unicode - except you can't use for anything you couldn't already do before when it was not there, since we're using ANSI as an intermediate format anyways"? > For example, start nano in a UTF-8 locale, enter a few umlauts, and > move the cursor around, and you'll see some weird effects. IMHO a bit of "weird effects" while moving cursor are a much less severe problem that being unable to write the filename "like I think it is". Using ANSI, anything over U+100 Unicode would be an ugly ^N-encoded 3-bytes-per-char ugly stuff which no human can "see" as the filename he intended to use. just my 2c --=20 Lapo Luchini - http://lapo.it/ =E2=80=9CYou don't have to distrust the government to want to use cryptogra= phy.=E2=80=9D (Phil Zimmermann) --------------enig731F0E5964F1ED02D2A31ED9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Cygwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJKuGfEAAoJELBiMTth2oCDbf4QALdqMcrAbx+9Y51iOrBgRMXE pvy348bCN7tKFTs0vmXV/xV3gjakwVZDc81+l5XwNJ+HkaEyvKIczoZ2UzW2SMxt Iuqr912hUxa/halEczFj9rzqjKU4X6PiXYzJXPCtVGfHoLISBbtA5zLFr+c7cn63 59VEtz4K4h81Bay0YDRALaCHky8lOtqprYhVrnJN44edUEhVUD9idFZAx+R3TJGm GKL4oJFztjvK0ipE9kjhkSFsAcl2qVTRJCLmJzE253tfjf95iDp8iuaLQbSYqZ40 y99N4VC4vzHYViHj/96J9fGhr6aEnsyiEJZBVMK3vR+0V96/D2Xxt+/O4EaN8Jy8 PD7wusDZBu1dqeiy7U90/hMDK7uR3CZbMVd/CEorg4qJEMGQLALHhVMiA/fwIXN6 1TWHJTLeLk/gy9yngTL2Zsuyt5O6dA2vOz8NjSbH0gndNvlHDGtA5DAY8jEy58DA FQBl9zfGPWlaUHnbdrMmcJYR7aLxiARdsaYYLkzrFXW8dgdQabSEDvSVni4TI/+o UqHJAXxx3xa7dR62o+v2Hivf0YTiNX3e2odUtOfdb616TvjOxaodQ6JeHgCdw8Nh tkvZ0q8atW7IO/qG8kjiEemOjLz2RUtxZoP9WGP0B5tlbuTXOVeJVmkWSRLZrFqv EYyc82ZAIQcduNItwH5t =UiUx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig731F0E5964F1ED02D2A31ED9--