X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Message-ID: <491DAC96.3050505@cygwin.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:51:34 -0500 From: "Larry Hall (Cygwin)" Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080723 Fedora/2.0.0.16-1.fc8 Lightning/0.9 Thunderbird/2.0.0.16 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: Cygwin Everyone group permissions and Vista "shared files" (*not* shared folders) References: <5e4cc4153gf115hcpi4ilk2s787klg6sra AT 4ax DOT com> <20080929165252 DOT GC11053 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <20080930163346 DOT GK11053 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <20415300 DOT post AT talk DOT nabble DOT com> <20081110115230 DOT GA2884 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <7j5ih4pea29aj7pnmn186b8uitoeboetkb AT 4ax DOT com> <4919B55D DOT 10606 AT cygwin DOT com> <491C8DF5 DOT 2070301 AT cygwin DOT com> <20081114094657 DOT GE19442 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> In-Reply-To: <20081114094657.GE19442@calimero.vinschen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Nov 13 15:28, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >> Barry Kelly wrote: >>> Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >>>> Barry Kelly wrote: >>>>> Corinna Vinschen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I, for one, use Cygwin not primarily as a POSIX emulation layer, but as >>>>> my main Windows user interface. IMHO in this situation, being posixly >>>>> correct is a handicap that Cygwin could do without, at the user's >>>>> choice. >>>> So what about the "nontsec" option doesn't address your need then? >>> It disables NT ACL manipulation via chmod, chown and chgrp. >> Understood. But this is allowed under SUSV3. Cygwin has getfacl/setfacl > > Erm... I'm not sure what SUSv3 has to do with that. , second paragraph. Perhaps I'm misreading it but to me this says that chmod and friends may or may not opt to change access control beyond the realm of the literal mode. Cygwin's doesn't and that's perfectly valid. > I really don't like the idea to make excemptions just for a small part > of the harddisk which gets mistreated by Microsoft. Don't do Cygwin > stuff in your Windows home dir, create a Cygwin specific home dir > instead. > > If that's not feasible, switch off ntsec and you get standard Windows > permissions. If the standard Windows permissions are not as you need > them, don't rely on Cygwin's chown/chmod. rather change the inheritence > settings of the parent directory according to your needs. Then you get > the required permissions right from the start. Nothing against using > chown/chmod in some border cases, Berry, but in your situation they are > just a workaround for bad permission settings. I'm not in disagreement here. Obviously anything that someone decided to try here would have to meet the performance criteria. To me, it seems easier to use other available tools to manipulate files in the nontsec environment. And don't get me started on Vista's "shared" debacle! ;-) -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _____________________________________________________________________ A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/