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From: Robert Pendell <shinji+gmane AT elite-systems DOT org>
Subject:  Re: Fwd: md5sum using Cygwin in Windows
Date:  Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:53:03 -0400
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Zheng Li wrote:
| Ben wrote:
|> "The project is geared towards people who understand a UNIX(tm)
|> environment.  If that isn't you, then it's hard to see why you're
|> dabbling with Ubuntu."
|>
|> If I don't understand UNIX, then it's hard to see why I'm dabbling
|> with Ubuntu? Is that a mistype? Did you mean to say that it's easy to
|> see why I'm dabbling with Ubuntu, as it is generally thought to be a
|> newbie-friendly distro? Is there a more approachable way to understand
|> UNIX?
|>
|> It's no wonder that Linux has roughly 1% desktop market share with
|> that sort of attitude. Unfortunately, Ubuntu doesn't even display
|> right on my laptop, so it'll be a while yet before I do understand
|> Linux.
|>
|> - B
|>
|> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Christopher Faylor
|> <cgf-use-the-mailinglist-please AT cygwin DOT com> wrote:
|>
|>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 02:42:49PM -0700, Ben wrote:
|>>
|>>> Removed my HTML to send this off...
|>>>
|>> It is not important for anyone to know this.
|>>
|>>
|>>> The Ubuntu help says that if you download Cygwin (link:
|>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM), you can follow the
|>>> Linux directions. I'm using the Cygwin shell and it is not working. I
|>>> downloaded the file to C. I type:
|>>>
|>>> cd C:\
|>>>
|>>> So far, so good. The (zippied) file ubutuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso is
|>>> sitting in C:\. So I type:
|>>>
|>>> md5sum ubutuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
|>>>
|>>> "No such file or directory."
|>>>
|>>> Ah well. Cygwin does not seem to be a very newbie-friendly
|>>> application. "Help cd" offers one a starkly technical little
|>>> paragraph. Incidentally, how does one even go to the Desktop directory
|>>> (which lies at C:\Documents and Settings\Ben\Desktop for me) with
|>>> Cygwin? Whenever you put in a space, Cygwin seems to reject it.
|>>>
|>> Hmm.  Just got a similar question on irc a while ago.
|>>
|>> Cygwin doesn't use : or \.  Use:
|>>
|>> cd "/cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/Ben/Desktop"
|>>
|>> And, btw, your "newbie-friendly" comment shows that you apparently have
|>> no idea what Cygwin is and possibly have no idea what Linux is all
|>> about.  The project is geared towards people who understand a UNIX(tm)
|>> environment.  If that isn't you, then it's hard to see why you're
|>> dabbling with Ubuntu.
|>>
|>> cgf
|>>
|>>
|>>
|>
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|>
| Well, if you use linux system in a MS windows style where clicking
| buttons can almost solve everything,
| then you may waste of your valuable times and totally loss your
| confidence on Linux.  You need to
| read a book and just learn it, like what you do in other computer
| lessons.  Linux expects you as a master
| and this assumption may be harmful to newbies. Fortunately, after a
| shape learning line, you can control
| your linux system to do lots of things windows can't do.
| Yours
| Zheng
|

I don't think that any linux user expects anyone else to be a master of
it but be rather knowledgable about what they are going into prior to
jumping in.  There are some really bad and stupid questions to be had
out there.  I know because I have answered some and only shook my head
while doing so.

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Robert Pendell
shinji AT elite-systems DOT org

"A perfect world is one of chaos."

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