X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:33:32 -0400 From: "Mark J. Reed" To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: setup.exe needs package name selection filter In-Reply-To: <20080620195403.GA31976@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <485AFB14 DOT 9090400 AT gmail DOT com> <20080620005700 DOT GB26573 AT ednor DOT casa DOT cgf DOT cx> <485B02D9 DOT 8050806 AT gmail DOT com> <000501c8d2c7$68afb690$2708a8c0 AT CAM DOT ARTIMI DOT COM> <485BA49A DOT 7090109 AT byu DOT net> <485BDF91 DOT 4050006 AT cygwin DOT com> <20080620195403 DOT GA31976 AT ednor DOT casa DOT cgf DOT cx> X-Google-Sender-Auth: daeb097a900037f8 X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: > And, observations about choosing a mirror being "annoying" don't really > help and likely illustrate some fundamental process misunderstanding. > What would you do if you didn't choose a mirror? Assume that the last > one you used was up to date? Ideally, once I have installed Cygwin, I should be able to say, e.g., "install vim", without having to repeat the whole setup wizard. Obviously if there's no cached copy or it's out of date or the mirror I picked is out of date, etc, then there needs to be recourse to those options. Also I think you're interpreting "annoying" as representing a greater emotional investment than I had in mind; certainly there was no "indignation" on my part. It's really a minor thing, but it grows out of the overloaded nature of setup.exe. > Should we be spending a lot of time educating people about this so that > they can give ever-more-informed suggestions without ever stepping up to > help? Honestly, I think more people might step up to help if you didn't exhibit such a hostile attitude to start with. I mean, OK, the majority of us users are just leeches who want to get something for nothing and complain when it doesn't work exactly the way we want it to while hardly ever taking the time to thank or praise you for your efforts. This is the free-software version of How People Are, an unfortunate reality that everyone who has to deal with the public in any capacity must face. It would still behoove you to accept suggestions for improvement in the spirit in which they are offered. Politesse goes a long way; a simple "Thank you for the suggestion; it's been suggested before, but it's a complex issue. Please see the mailing list archives" would have been fine, but instead you started right in with the snark. -- Mark J. Reed -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/