X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:34:58 +0100 From: Corinna Vinschen To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Deprecating ntea Message-ID: <20070228093458.GR24859@calimero.vinschen.de> Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Hi, I think it's time to remove the CYGWIN=ntea setting from Cygwin. (see http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using-cygwinenv.html) The reason is that it's just a fake. It fakes POSIX permission bits by using the "extended attributes" capability built into NTFS. it also works on FAT by creating a bulky file in the root directory of the partition. Extended attributes were never implemented on FAT32, so "ntea" could never work on FAT32. So, IMO, ntea is not at all necessary. Given that practically all Windows systems nowadays are using NTFS and given that NTFS supports real permissions, not only faked ones, I don't see any need for ntea. I even consider ntea as dangerous, because it pretends a security which doesn't exist. That's what the default ntsec setting is for, utilizing real permission settings. Ok, that's my opinion, which should make it clear that I think ntea is old cruft which should be removed from Cygwin. My questions are thus: Does anybody seriously use ntea? Do you think you can't live without it? Is using ntsec or just switching off ntsec no option for you? Why? Or, to phrase it as I did on the cygwin-developers list: Does anybody have a good argument to keep this cruft against all reason? Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/