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Subject: Re: Cygintl-3.dll was not found
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I'm not going to get into a discussion about my assumptions or yours. You
have no idea who I am, what I have done or not done to solve this problem,
or even if I have solved this problem. You have no idea what forums I have
been in, how often I encounter or use Cygwin, or what my level of expertise
is. You are not qualified to discuss my assumptions, nor am I qualified to
discuss yours. However, a simple search for the file that is the topic of
the root of this thread will yield over 12,000 matches, and nearly all
appear to be "missing-bug" related. Thus, my criticism has credential and is
well deserved.

Furthermore, if Cygwin wants to be used by the windows community, then it
needs to be palatable to windows users. Not Linux users who occasionally
find themselves forced to use a windows box. Many of us are competent
developers who have better things to do than spend time pouring through
install procedures and innumerable tar files when modern methods have
rendered that kind of delivery, in this context, utterly unnecessary. 


Christopher Faylor-2 wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 04:51:23PM -0700, gdiviney wrote:
>>Yep, I agree whole-heartedly. I ran across this thread because (guess
what?)
>>the install package did not deliver this file (and I can only guess which
>>others). I???ve reviewed the thread and, as you note, you were attacked
for
>>pointing out the obvious??? 
> 
> Actually, if you read the thread, the person doing the attacking was
> "infoterrier" who assumed a bunch of things about cygwin development out
> of the gate.
> 
> He did the same thing you are doing.  Rather than ask for help, he
> vented inappropriate frustration and anger at strangers who were giving
> him free stuff because he couldn't figure out how to use the free stuff.
> 
> He didn't initially provide any details which would allow anyone to help
> him.  Just like you.
> 
> He responded to a message long after the original poster had been
> helped.  Just like you.
> 
> So, IMO, he really is not someone to emulate or with whom to seek
> solidarity.
> 
> I don't know why cygintl-3.dll was not installed for you.  The installer
> is supposed to install it.  If it didn't, that's a bug.  We have no idea
> what steps you took to get into a state where the file was not installed
> and your confrontational style seems to be tailor made to turn people
> off towards helping you find out what went wrong.
> 
> Maybe that was your intent.  Otherwise, it's certainly hard to figure
> out why you would attack strangers who give you free stuff no matter how
> bad the "stuff" was.  We didn't force you to download it but, if you
> have problems and can state them clearly and politely, we're willing to
> help.
> 
>>- Insulting your users who become frustrated due to your own shabby
>>work is perfectly OK.
> 
>>Some tips for Cygwin people:
>>
>>-	When a user selects a set of items to install, perhaps the install
package
>>should deliver all the necessary files to make it work.
>>
>>-	When a user complains about a file not being delivered, maybe instead of
>>insulting them, you can first assume your package has err???d until it???s
shown
>>otherwise.
>>
>>I guess I???ll keep looking for a solution for the issue that begat this
>>thread, since I have encountered the same problem.
>>
>>A one-hour compiler class assignment has become an all-day goose-hunt.
>>Thanks Cygwin developers! Maybe someday I???ll have the opportunity to
>>waste an entire day of your lives.  If it weren???t for schools, your
>>aberrant work would have been forgotten long ago.
> 
> If you don't like our shabby work or our attitude then you have a really
> simple solution - stay far away from Cygwin.  If some school or
> professor is forcing you to use Cygwin, then take your complaint to
> them.  We really couldn't care less about your inability to figure out the
> software when you can't muster the civility to ask for help politely.
> 
> (And, actually, we probably wouldn't care all that much even if you did
> ask politely, but we would still try to help anyway)
> 
> Btw, if it took you all day to do a google search for Cygintl-3.dll,
> that also tells us a little bit about you and, what it tells us, is not
> all that impressive.
> 
> cgf
> 
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