X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Message-ID: <44E88C02.80908@cygwin.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:21:22 -0400 From: "Larry Hall (Cygwin)" Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20060112 Fedora/1.5-1.fc4.remi Thunderbird/1.5 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: Those nasty bundled Cygwin's References: <44E75751 DOT 2060907 AT cygwin DOT com> <008a01c6c42f$058b9aa0$6501a8c0 AT raoul> In-Reply-To: <008a01c6c42f$058b9aa0$6501a8c0@raoul> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >> Øyvind Harboe wrote: >>> One of the reasons that companies distribute Cygwin (often breaching >>> the GPL by not including the source) is that Cygwin setup sucks(I do >>> believe that there is a consensus that Cygwin setup sucks). >>> >>> If the Cygwin install process rocked (e.g. like Debian there was some >>> known stable/unstable/testing collections, zero questions install, >>> automatic mirrors, able to take adavantage of fat internet >>> connections, etc.), I think this would remove a lot of the reasons >>> for distributing Cygwin with a product(which seems fine at first, but >>> creates subtle and hard to solve compatibilty problems). >>> >>> So how about adding a link to Cygwin front page saying something to >>> the effect that "we're looking for sponsors to fix setup and this is >>> what we plan to do"? >>> >>> Or has this already been done? :-) >>> >> >> Actually, I think the only thing that "setup.exe" doesn't currently >> have some capability for is the ability to set priorities on certain >> mirrors based on "some criteria". What that criteria should be has > > It also completely lacks a "uninstall all of CygWin, I'm not kidding" > option, or a graceful way to record a setup in vivo, so that the setup > of one machine can be easily duplicated to another. The way the download > sites are listed only by hostname, instead of by complete URL, is also > confusing. It means that if you want to include a mirror manually, you > have to guess or deduce the rest of the URL to use. > > I could go on, but you get the point. Eric Raymond's famous rant about > setting up CUPS, and the problems with other open source GUI's, > addresses some of these kinds of issues at > http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html. As is obvious from past threads, there is no lack of ideas of ways to improve "setup.exe"... -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/