X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Message-ID: <44E1FF26.6040707@netacquire.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:06:46 -0700 From: Joachim Achtzehnter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: change in behavior of make from 3.80 to 3.81 References: <17632 DOT 65094 DOT 528377 DOT 623813 AT segfault DOT lan> <009a01c6bfff$934e8480$a501a8c0 AT CAM DOT ARTIMI DOT COM> <17633 DOT 5335 DOT 965102 DOT 80534 AT segfault DOT lan> In-Reply-To: <17633.5335.965102.80534@segfault.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com John W. Eaton wrote: > I mean, isn't free software all about getting something for nothing, > then complaining about it and expecting others to do yet more gratis > work for you? Free software is about collaboration of a community consisting of developers, users, documentation authors, testers, translators, etc. to a common good, namely the production of good software that serves the needs of that community. A peculiar aspect of all-volunteer free software projects (some are wholly or partially funded where this can be different) is that nobody can force another member of the community to do something they don't want to do, so it is all based on persuasion and winning over others by argument. To phrase this volunteer aspect the way you did is seriously misleading. You make it appear as if a handful of developers are making a contribution and everybody else is just getting a gratis benefit without contributing. Clearly, developers make a huge contribution, nobody is denying this, but to suggest that *only* developers contribute and everybody else should therefore just shut up is the exact opposite of what free software is supposed to be about. A healthy free software project depends on and welcomes input from the community. The attitude exhibited by some on this mailing list, of trying to muzzle opinions they disagree with, does not help. Joachim -- work: joachima AT netacquire DOT com (http://www.netacquire.com) private: joachim AT kraut DOT ca (http://www.kraut.ca) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/