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On Mon, 15 May 2006, Sven Köhler wrote:

> >> So i always was annoyed by the fact, that starting rxvt directly from
> >> windows opens a console windows.
> >
> > Hence the recommended use of "run".
>
> run?

Yes, see <http://cygwin.com/packages/run/>.

> >> Isn't it possible, to create such an EXE-file, that doesn't open a
> >> console? Would that cause any problems with cygwin?
> >
> > It's possible.  But one (important) side effect is that window-mode
> > applications cannot write to a console.  So, "rxvt --help" would be
> > useless if rxvt were to be made a window-mode app.
>
> Oops, yes.
>
> Hmm ... but ...
>
> Would  "rxvt.exe --help" work, if you run in from a cygwin-shell?
> wouldn't that be sufficient?

Which Cygwin shell?  It won't work from a console bash.

> Something that i just noticed: do you have java installed? there is that
> javaw.exe-thing. It's such a window-mode application. And if i run
> "javaw" inside cygwin, then it prints a help-screen to the console!

No, it doesn't, unless you run it from rxvt, xterm, or bash with
CYGWIN=tty (in which case, as far as that app is concerned, the output is
redirected to a file -- as Brian already mentioned).

> >> That would make any "hide the console"-code unnecessary.
>
> If there is some other possibility, to hide the console, (what is that
> "run" command that you mean?), then i would remove the "hide the
> console"-code.
>
> There are only two things, that i'd like to be abled to do:
> a) start rxvt.exe directly from windows without a console-windows
> b) run it from inside cygwin like any other app

Use "run".

> >> P.S.: i can reproduce the bug too.
> >
> > Note that my issue is actually the opposite: I start rxvt from an
> > unrelated console, and I *want* that console to stay visible. Looks
> > like the new console-hiding code is a bit over-eager... If I have the
> > time, I'll take a look at the changes to see if there's a simple fix.
>
> Yes, i know. But i thought, that a window-mode application _could_ be a
> more clean sollution to the problem, because the "close the
> console"-code (which is a workaround IMHO) could be removed.

But at the cost of losing console output -- which is not an option.
	Igor
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