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Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> [snip]
> 
>>>>I just wanted to make it clear that we aren't going to be 
>>
>>making any 
>>
>>>>special concessions to a product like a virus scanner which cause 
>>>>perfectly acceptable code to misbehave.  If that is the 
>>
>>case then it 
>>
>>>>is a situation for the virus scanner to work out.  It's not a 
>>>>requirement that Cygwin work around things like this.
>>>
>>>Well, that is a pretty strong statement, I'd expect from a 
>>
>>for-profit 
>>
>>>company run by corporate management.
>>
>>This is a practical decision.
>>
>>We are not going to visit the slippery slope of adding code 
>>to Cygwin to work around other third party software.  We 
> 
> 
> Huh?  Has it even been 24 hours since you suggested Cygwin be changed in a
> non-standardized manner merely to band-aid a broken third-party IRC client?
> And doesn't Cygwin still create sparse files for the benefit of one single
> third-party application?  The slope you mention has already been visited on
> more than one occaision.

I'm sorry, but IMO this is /not/ the same thing.

What CGF suggested was to implement things in the same manner as Linux - 
which is one of the main goals of this project - allowing gcc to 
behaving in non-ansi mode by default.
This would be a major undertaking, yes, as AFAICT it involves updating, 
creating, and generally rewriting more than a few header files in order 
for it to work without adversely affecting how things work now.
As for creating sparse files - imo this is better than how windows 
normally does it, regardless of the app in question.

> 
> [snip]
> 
>>However, this is a free software project so people have the 
>>ability to inspect the source code and offer patches.  If 
>>someone offers a patch to fix problems with a virus scanner 
>>which doesn't involve any special tests for the virus 
>>scanner, doesn't involve extra code to work around the virus 
>>scanner, and doesn't involve doing something like, say, using 
>>sockets instead of pipes because the virus scanner doesn't 
>>like pipes, then, sure, we'll consider the code.  Otherwise, 
>>this is what I would call a "special concession to third 
>>party software" and I'm not interested in littering the code 
>>with those.
>>
> 
> 
> Again, that last sentence is simply not a true statement, unless you want to
> split hairs about the "littering" part.  And I have to question the veracity
> of a "PTC" statement that has as its prerequisites that the patch involve no
> actual code.

Matter of interpretation. IMO, CGF is saying he doesn't want large 
quantities of complex code. A small patch that altered cygwin's 
behaviour in such a way so as to be more friendly towards ZA or various 
AV products would be more than sufficient.

> 
> 
>>Perhaps Corinna has a different opinion and will convince me 
>>otherwise but, until that time, I just thought I would make 
>>the ground rules clear.  I thought this was obvious stuff but 
>>I guess it wasn't.
>>
> 
> 
> No, and I guess it still isn't.

Is to me.

> 
> BTW, OP: Update your 1.3.x install.  It's the 21st century for God's sake.
> 

On this I wholeheartedly agree.

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