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Subject: Re: Accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:27:35 -0700
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Well, getting decent keyboard access is naturally an interest of mine.  I'll see
what I can dig up about this from my screen-reader manufacturer.  More then
likely your assumption is correct, but if it doesn't work with "standard"
windows controlls, that's also something I need to know.
Thanks
Sean
PS. unfortunately I'm on outlook express here so if you know how to top post
with that mailer, send that along to me.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Igor Pechtchanski" <pechtcha AT cs DOT nyu DOT edu>
To: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon AT usgs DOT gov>
Cc: <cygwin AT cygwin DOT com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe


> Ugh, top-posting...  Reformatted.
>
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Sean McMahon wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Igor Pechtchanski" <pechtcha AT XX DOT XXX DOT XXX>
> > To: "Lennart Borgman" <lennart DOT borgman DOT 073 AT XXXXXXX DOT XX DOT XX>
> > Cc: <cygwin AT XXXXXX DOT XXX>
>
> <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR>.  Thanks.
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: Accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe
> >
> > > On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Lennart Borgman wrote:
> > >
> > > > I read in the archives that there has been some discussions about
> > > > accessibility and Cygwin setup.exe. Are there any plans to improve
> > > > this? Keyboard support was not mentioned there but is also an
> > > > important accessibility feature for many people. Are there any plans
> > > > for keyboard support?
> > >
> > > I don't believe anyone has voiced plans for adding accessibility
> > > features to the current implementation of the setup package chooser.
> > > There are a couple of people (including me) working (slowly) on
> > > re-implementing the chooser completely using standard Windows
> > > controls, which will support keyboard interaction, screen readers,
> > > etc, automatically.
> > >
> > > Igor
> >
> > Igor, have you been able to get any documentation from screen reader and
> > screen magnification makers reguarding what are and are not accessible
> > window controlls?  Glad to hear this is being worked on.
> >
> > Sean
>
> No, I have not tested my code with screen readers or any other
> accessibility software, as that's not my primary goal here.  What I'd like
> to do is essentially decouple the logic from the GUI in setup, and have
> setup use standard Windows controls.  The accessibility and keyboard
> interaction come as nice side benefits resulting from the use of standard
> controls.  I'm assuming that the controls I'm planning to use (e.g.,
> ListView) have sufficient accessibility support built-in.
>
> If and when I have some working code, I will request that people
> interested in accessibility test that code for the features they need.
>
> One thing I forgot to mention in my previous reply is that while using the
> standard Windows controls is my choice, nothing prevents others from
> submitting patches with alternate approaches (including patching the
> current code for accessibility).
> Igor
> -- 
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>
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> of the Universe is almost certainly being run by a bunch of maniacs. /DA


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