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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:36:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Igor Pechtchanski <pechtcha AT cs DOT nyu DOT edu>
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To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke AT gnu DOT org>
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Subject: Re: Proposed FAQ in DocBook (Attn: tetex maintainer)
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:

> Igor Pechtchanski writes:
>
> > Incidentally, tetex-3.0.0 seems to be missing the texi2html executable
> > (it was present in tetex-2.0.2).  Jan, any comments?
>
> teTeX bundles a whole lot of stuff, like libpng, texinfo, zlib, ncurses,
> whatnot.  I think that sane, independent packages like these had better
> be packaged independently.

Probably, but a successful build of the Cygwin HTML documentation relies
on texi2html being present.  It would have been nice to at least announce
that texi2html is no longer packaged, and/or package it separately.  I
don't see that in your tetex-3.0.0 announcements.  IMO, that's what
announcements are *for*.

This was briefly discussed on the main list[*], but didn't come to any
conclusion besides "tough, deal with it".  I didn't pay much attention to
that discussion at the time, but now I looked back and found that
tetex-2.0.2 *did* have texi2html.

Joshua, you mentioned that you have a copy of texi2html in the cygwin-doc
source package.  Would it make sense to check it into the Cygwin CVS?

FWIW, this discussion is about a perl script and a manpage that are about
600k combined.  While that's not small, it's tiny compared to the total
size of the tetex package.  I realize that I could offer to package
texi2html myself, but Jan is in a better position to do so, and keep it up
with the updates of the upstream tetex package.  Jan, would you be
interested in making a separate texi2html package?  If not, I'll look into
doing that (though we'd need to coordinate, obviously).

> Fwiw, my last tetex-2.0.2-15 mknetrel script also has
> --without-texi2html.

This seems to contradict
<http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin2/package-cat.cgi?file=tetex-bin%2Ftetex-bin-2.0.2-15&grep=bin%2Ftexi2html>.

To reiterate -- I don't want this e-mail to come off as a demand for
something.  There's nothing wrong with dropping support for some part of a
bundled toolset in a new package release.  The only things I'm asking for
are a) that this be announced, and b) that, if that part of the toolset is
important, alternative packaging options are discussed on cygwin-apps
beforehand, rather than having people find out after the fact.  If this is
unreasonable, please let me know.
	Igor
[*] <http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2005-05/msg00515.html>
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