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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:13:53 +0200
From: Thorsten Haude <nedit AT thorstenhau DOT de>
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Hi,

I sent the sollowing message to Larry via private mail:

- - - Schnipp - - -
Hi Larry,

please don't use tofu mails. http://www.vranx.de/mail/tofu.html

* Larry Hall wrote (2004-07-16 17:41):
>The best way to insure that you get only one copy of any response from the
>list is to set your reply-to to point to the list.

I think the Reply-To header is quite unfit for that.

For once, it it mungled often enough that I had to check with every
list whether I could use it or not.

Second, the Reply-To header has a different purpose. If would eg. post
to the list from a mobile phone, I would want a way to ensure that I
don't get the entire list on this mobile, accumulating huge costs.
Reply-To ist that way.

Third, Reply-To is a much stronger way to redirect replies. If this
mail would have been sent to the list, I might set the Reply-To header
to indicate that further discussion should be done off-list.


Instead I use the Mail-Followup-To header as described here:
http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html


>Depending on the software you use, you may find that you can easily
>filter out duplicates too.

That wouldn't be entirely satisfactory either for two reasons:
- The list mail would usually arrive second and be destroyed. That
leaves not-list messages in my list folder.
- I might be lead to think that it *is* a personal reply (like this
one) and answer personally where a list answer might be more
approppriate.


>I don't second-guess the implied intent of posters to whom I respond
>by editing the recipient list but my email client automatically
>honors when "reply-to" is set.  Most do.  I'd recommend setting it
>when you correspond with this list or any that you subscribe to.

Actually, I wonder what possible reasons could exist to send every
mail twice, and even by default. I haven't checked, but I guess you
cannot subscribe this list or any other write-only, so in what
possible situation would the second mail enhance communication?


So my recommendation to you, O wise one, is to just skip the second
mail, reply to the list *or* in personal way as preferred for a
particular mail and be done with it.


Thorsten
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours,
and this we should do freely and generously.
    - Benjamin Franklin
- - - Schnapp - - -


In an ironic twist I got this reply from the list manager:
- - - Schnipp - - -
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
cygwin AT cygwin DOT com mailing list.

This is a generic help message. The message I received wasn't sent to
any of my command addresses.


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They are always returned as sets of 100, max 2000 per request,
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You can start a subscription for an alternate address,
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--- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received.

(...)
- - - Schnapp - - -


Thorsten
--=20
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours,
and this we should do freely and generously.
    - Benjamin Franklin

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