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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:00:40 -0500
To: "Wolmarans, Brett" <brett DOT wolmarans AT spirentcom DOT com>,
   "'Cygwin List'" <cygwin AT cygwin DOT com>,
   "Wolmarans, Brett" <brett DOT wolmarans AT spirentcom DOT com>
From: Larry Hall <cygwin-lh AT cygwin DOT com>
Subject: RE: invalid spawn id (4)
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Brett, I understood your point.  You clearly didn't catch mine though, I 
guess because it was shrouded in humor.  I'll be more plain.

The argument you make for including Cygwin's telnet by default could be 
made for many other utilities provided with Cygwin as well.  Including 
all these by default would make for a very large base installation.  
Some would say that it is already too large.  Since you argue that 
the current default installation contains "a gazillion other things 
installed by default that will only be useful to 
0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user base", I'm 
assuming you would be in agreement with this crowd.  But that would 
contradict your argument so I can only guess that you're making it 
to let everyone on the list know that all this bothers you intensely.  
Perhaps you feel that you're owed some kind of apology because we 
didn't anticipate your needs and provide all the facilities (but no
more!) that you need personally by default.  Maybe you're just being 
antagonistic.  I'm not sure.  What I am sure about is that you have 
complete freedom to install or not any package that Cygwin provides.
We're not forcing any on you.  Even the default ones can be unselected
initially or uninstalled later.  Given that fact, I fail to understand
you indignation on this point.  But I hope you understand you are in 
no way restricted by the current options and that Cygwin as distributed
from cygwin.com will not be changing it's defaults to accommodate your 
specific desires.  If that statement just adds to the indignation you feel,
then the only thing I can suggest is that you refuse to use the software in
protest.

Larry


At 12:43 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote:
>If you recommend your telnet client so much then have it installed by
>default.  That was my point.
>
>_______________________
>brett wolmarans, PSE, Spirent Communications
>Cell Phone: (818) 292-3411  http://support.spirentcom.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Hall [mailto:cygwin-lh AT cygwin DOT com] 
>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:37 PM
>To: Wolmarans, Brett; 'cygwin AT cygwin DOT com'
>Subject: Re: invalid spawn id (4)
>
>At 07:33 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:
>>Hey, nobody ever replied but the answer is, don't use Microsoft telnet
>>client with cygwin expect.  
>>
>>Install cygwin telnet client ( NOT installed by default, heaven alone knows
>>why when they have a gazillion other things installed by default that will
>>only be useful to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user
>>base )  
>
>
>We recommend Cygwin telnet client over MS regardless of your intended 
>use. ;-)
>
>Of course, this list caters to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
>
>of the user base so we can only make recommendations to the rest of you.
>
>
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