Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Server-Uuid: BFC84477-645C-465D-9AD8-33CC8F7E78C3 Sensitivity: Subject: Re: Plausibility of sendmail? To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com From: Brian DOT Kelly AT empireblue DOT com Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:04:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6C00B81C1TG3172913-01-03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes >> If someone is crazy enough to want a production mailserver with Cygwin, >> let them run Exim. Point well taken. Having limited experience with mail servers in general, I will certainly keep your advice filed away in the ole noodle for future reference. Of course a lot of reasons that *crap* persists is because there's a lot of folks who are familiar with and experienced with such *crap*. For someone under the gun to come up with a quick fix, inevitably they will attempt to implement the familiar. If sendmail REALLY deserves to die, then keeping it out of the Cygwin distribution is something I would understand, and probably support (as long as there are advertised alternatives of course!) Brian Kelly "Brian Dessent" @cygwin.com on 02/02/2004 09:33:56 AM Please respond to cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Sent by: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com cc: (bcc: Brian Kelly/WTC1/Empire) Subject: Re: Plausibility of sendmail? Brian DOT Kelly AT Empireblue DOT com wrote: > Seems to me you have not worked for many Fortune 500 size organizations - > where almost ALL your hardware and software purchasing decisions are made > by folks who *PRIDE* themselves on their *LACK* of technical expertise - as > if such were somehow evidence of their inability to *MANAGE*. In fact, > being a technical guru can often be career death in such places as the > *can't do's* endlessly convince themselves that the *can do's* can't > "manage people". Which begs the question - "WHAT DOES CHOOSING HARDWARE > HAVE TO DO WITH *MANAGING PEOPLE*????????" But they do it anyway. And of > course when such *beings* make such decisions, they do so with assumptions > like "all open source is BAD" (while their web servers are running Apache), > and the CHEAPEST thing is *GOOD* - Intel rather than Sun or HP. Oh, but we > can't run Linux because that's *bad* *unsupported* open source!! Yes, PHB types can make really terrible decisions. That doesn't mean that because they're in charge those plans should become feasible, just because "that's what the bossman wants." My statement was only that "you'd be much better served..." with a native posix OS, especially where security and performance are required such as in a busy mail server in the DMZ. > enviroment - enter CYGWIN. Of course it's *bad* open source, but now the > *manager* has promised his/her management that this new functionality would > be ready by week's end - without consulting the guru's first. So cygwin is > agreed to as a *temporary* solution (with the understanding that temporary > in such organizations could be two decades instead of three). > > This is how a need for something like sendmail on cygwin could conceivably > come about - happens ALL the time. If someone is crazy enough to want a production mailserver with Cygwin, let them run Exim. I guess my point was more that "sendmail is an old, crufty, impossible to comprehend pile of rotten bits" and not "Cygwin shouldn't have MTA packages available because it's unsuitable for production use." In other words, I view anything that could hasten (even if infinitesimally) the demise of sendmail as a feature and not a bug. Brian -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ "WellChoice, Inc." made the following annotations on 02/02/2004 10:07:12 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Attention! This electronic message contains information that may be legally confidential and/or privileged. The information is intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Release/Disclosure Statement -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/