Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Sent: 24 Dec 2003 05:23:53 GMT From: "Blair P. Houghton" To: Subject: RE: Is perl-5.8.2 canonized for use on cygwin yet? Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:24:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3FE7E177.1060309@ece.gatech.edu> X-IsSubscribed: yes I saw your email address on your work and assumed you took an interest in supporting it. Mea culpa. "Hey, that's what you get for putting them in there," was a josh about just the sort of complaint you replied with. I saw you coming, and warned you, but you showed up anyway. Tua culpa. You are correct. You were the exception, and I did not intend to include the others in my assessment of the whining. They were instead silent; "not helpful." I didn't tell you not to put your name on your work, nor to take others' names off work you revised. I said don't whine when you get email after putting your email address on a product document, and take your email address off the document or change it if you don't want email on that subject via that address. Finally, as I've already told you, one of the darkest days in the history of software development was the day some tool discovered he could commit politics in lieu of support. I hope everyone understands my meaning now. I'm going to go see if what Yitzchak said knocks any clues loose from the build messages. --Blair P.S. I'm on the list; you don't have to CC me, too. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Wilson [mailto:cwilson AT ece DOT gatech DOT edu] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:32 PM To: Blair P. Houghton; cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: Is perl-5.8.2 canonized for use on cygwin yet? Blair P. Houghton wrote: > The people who were crazy enough to leave their email > addresses in perl's cygwin installation docs aren't > being helpful (unless you call reflexive BOFH-grade > whining helpful). You'd think they'd understand not to > make themselves available as POC if they're not POC. > Go figure. In response to a (private) "request" for help that included the polite statement: "I got your names out of http://search.cpan.org/~jhi/perl-5.8.1/README.cygwin . Hey, that's what you get for putting them in there." I (privately [*]) wrote the following "BOFH-grade whining": > None of us (with the exception of Gerrit) have had anything to do with > perl since before 5.6.0. And even Gerrit probably doesn't appreciate > getting cygwin-related email in his personal box. > > Please keep cygwin-related question on the cygwin mailing list. > cygwin AT cygwin DOT com. Gerrit is the current maintainer, reads the list, > and is (one of) the most qualified to answer questions about the current > perl distributions on cygwin. And if he doesn't know, somebody else on > the list will. [*] well, restricted to the list of previous recipients Mr. Houghton, there is a difference between a POC and a historical record of major contributors. As with most projects, new contributors perl's cygwin port are loath to remove the record of their predecessors, and simply append their name to the existing list. Meanwhile, the earlier contributors have almost certainly moved on. I was perfectly content to ignore this, but I couldn't allow you to accuse Eric, alex, Steven, Sebastien, and Teun of whining and unhelpfulness. Unless you got other emails on which I was not CC'ed, blame ME not them for any "whining" you believe is represented by the above text. (Gerrit is around and can defend himself, and I really don't care what you say or think about me.) Gerrit: I suggest that you edit the README.cygwin file, leaving in the names of the contributors (hell, delete mine if you want) and eliminate all email addresses except cygwin AT cygwin DOT com, so we don't need to go thru this exercise again. End of my contributions to this thread. -- Chuck -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/