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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:22:07 -0400
From: Larry Hall <cygwin-lh AT cygwin DOT com>
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To: Pavel Rozenboim <pavelr AT coresma DOT com>
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Subject: Re: cygwin 1.5.0 managed mode & backward compatibility
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Pavel Rozenboim wrote:

> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Larry Hall [mailto:cygwin-lh AT cygwin DOT com]
>>Sent: Thu, July 17, 2003 4:15 PM
>>To: Pavel Rozenboim
>>Cc: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
>>Subject: Re: cygwin 1.5.0 managed mode & backward compatibility
>>
>>
>>Pavel Rozenboim wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Christopher Faylor [mailto:cgf-idd AT cygwin DOT com]
>>>>Sent: Wed, July 16, 2003 6:07 PM
>>>>To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
>>>>Subject: Re: cygwin 1.5.0 managed mode & backward compatibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 01:48:28PM +0200, Pavel Rozenboim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>I installed cygwin 1.5.0 and remounted all cygwin 
>>>>
>>>>directories (/,/usr/bin,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>/usr/lib) in managed mode. Now I can't access files that 
>>>>
>>>>have a capital
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>letters that were created before upgrade to 1.5.0. 
>>>>
>>>>*exactly*
>>>>
>>>>Don't do that.  Do not use managed mode on your old 
>>>>directories.  It is
>>>>called "managed" for a reason.  Cygwin wants to manage all 
>>>>file creations.
>>>>So, the only way to use it is to create an empty directory, mount it
>>>>as managed, and then populate it with files.
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you have any plans to provide backward/windows 
>>
>>compatibility for managed
>>
>>>mode? 
>>
>>
>>Perhaps I'm being simplistic but I can't see how Windows compatibility
>>could be added in terms of it displaying the unmanaged names and
>>understanding which name maps where.  I assume that's what you meant.
> 
> 
> I thought about a following idea: when looking for a file on a filesystem in
> managed mode, first try an unmangled name, and if it doesn't exist, try
> mangled name. I understand that the whole issue is more complex that that,
> and my idea probably was considered and rejected already.


Right.  Play around with it and you'll probably see why this won't
really work (i.e. it could get you a different file than you expected
for one thing).


>>If not, please clarify.  Also, I'm not sure I understand the 
>>implication
>>of 'backward' in your statement, unless it was just a qualifier for
>>'windows'.
> 
> 
> It is mostly the same, as current cygwin (1.3.xx) implementation relies on
> windows names, AFAIK.


Right.  OK same as above then.


>>There's no reason that Windows applications can't work with 
>>the managed
>>named files of course.  At least, no reason AFAICS.
> 
> 
> The potential problem is in mixed environments. For example, we have a
> compilation scripts that run on cygwin and use cygwin make utility, but the
> compiler itself is a non-cygwin application. In such situation all scripts
> and makefiles need to be modified to use cygpath utility extensively. We
> also use non-cygwin editors to edit the sources. Of course, use of managed
> mode is not required in this situation, but it still would be nice to be
> able to work with managed mode and still be able to access files with
> non-cygwin applications.


Well, as I mentioned, you can.  You just have to refer to the managed
names as they appear in Windows.  This works fine for me.  But I don't
see a transparent, seemless way to make Windows or unaware Cygwin
versions understand the managed names.


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