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Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:30:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Igor Pechtchanski <pechtcha AT cs DOT nyu DOT edu>
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To: Joshua Daniel Franklin <joshuadfranklin AT yahoo DOT com>
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Subject: Re: Printable Copy Of The Cygwin Users Guide]
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On Fri, 9 May 2003, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:

> On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 11:06:33AM -0400, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 8 May 2003 18:55:56 -0500, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:
> > > > >there is now a decent PDF.
> > > >
> > > > It's a very good PDF.
> > >
> > > Thanks, though I really can't take any credit. It's just openjade and
> > > pdfjadetex automatically trying to convert the DocBook sources.
> >
> > I'll have to agree with Matt -- it is a very good PDF, although, IMO,
> > having it compressed defeats the purpose a bit...  Especially compressed
> > with gzip -- people might want to read it before installing Cygwin, you
> > know.  Since it only compresses to about 190k (from the original 390k),
> > I'd guess having it up there uncompressed would do more good (unless web
> > space is a problem).
>
> WinZip et al. can uncompress GZIPs. If someone just wants to browse the
> User's Guide, there's a nice HTML copy with Table of Contents. The PDF is
> for people who really want to print it. Personally, I dislike websites that
> make you read all their manuals in PDF format since the files are much larger
> than HTML, though PDF does have its advantages. I thought about putting the
> regular PDF there, but then I thought people might click just to see what
> it looks like, wasting a lot of bandwidth. This discourages people who don't
> *really* want the PDF by making them do a little bit of work.

Ok, I see your point.

> > > > The only problem I can see is that your courier-fonted stuff (mostly code)
> > > > does not wrap correctly. In my Adobe 5.05 Reader, the
> > > > courier stuff went off page. What Reader are you using?
> > >
> > > Yes, the code listings are not supposed to wrap. I suppose I really should
> > > figure out how to mess with the margins in the TeX files, though that defeats
> > > the purpose of DocBook. (It's not just the reader, xpdf does the same thing.)
> > > Luckily there aren't very many code listings with >70 columns.
> >
> > I'm not too keen on pure TeX, hopefully someone will correct me if I'm
> > wrong.  LaTeX, for example, uses the \textwidth and \textheight dimensions
> > for the text size on the page, and \topmargin and \@themargin for the
> > offsets from the top left corner of the page...
> >
> > I'll try to come up with a way to change those margins only for code
> > listings (in a few weeks, though).  It would help if you send me
> > (privately) the .tex file(s) used as input to pdfjadetex...
>
> I can do that, though like I said hand-editing the TeX source doesn't
> scale.

Oh, I wasn't planning to edit the TeX source; I was hoping to see what
commands were used to typeset the code listings and maybe send in a chunk
of the preamble that redefines them...

I was also thinking about an environment that would wrap the code lines
automatically, but that would probably take some more hacking...
	Igor
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