Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Authentication-Warning: slinky.cs.nyu.edu: pechtcha owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:42:50 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Pechtchanski Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com To: "Hannu E K Nevalainen (garbage mail)" cc: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: RE: Added setup.exe to User's Guide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Hannu E K Nevalainen (garbage mail) wrote: > > From: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com [mailto:cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com]On Behalf > > Of Joshua Daniel Franklin > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 08:54:11PM +0100, Hannu E K Nevalainen > > (garbage mail) wrote: > > > Suggestions for wording changes/expansion of the text. > > > > I believe most of your suggestions assume that the user has little or > > no knowledge of Unix. I'm operating under the assumption that most new > > users have knowledge of Unix and will already have run into things like > > \r\n line endings, man, info, etc. > > IMHO my suggestions adds just that *tiny bit* of extra info that makes a > new user get the grip - without some of the FAQs. > > > > > -- 8< -- > > > >Local Package Directory > > > Append something like the following to the paragraph: > > > There are circumstances when it is useful to use the cache as > > "local package > > > directory" for installation on another system than the primary one. > > > This is currently NOT directly supported by setup.exe, but can > > be achieved > > > in a number of ways. > > > Information regarding this has yet to be gathered here. Currently it is > > > spread out amongst the postings on the mailing lists, especially the > > > "cygwin" list. > > > > Huh? > > Hmm...? Why so perplexed? > I've gotten the impression that this isn't easily accomplished. > > > Install Cygwin on one machine. Copy the cache to a separate machine. > > Install again. This will work fine, as long as you choose the same mirror. > > First of all; those two lines belong on the web-page. > Second; setup.exe does not cover all situations. > Third; It involves loads of manual work, on more than a few machines. > Fourth; using a LAN -> high load when all machines has to be updated. > > This has been discussed throughly here on the ML. With a slant towards the > second; IMHO this needs to be mentioned, toghether with some kind of > pointers to the postings - unless it can be summarised directly. > > > I'm asking myself: Why do people insist on not telling about the possible > ways > to achieve this? > IMHO this is like somebody telling you that there is no such thing as "free > speech" unless you pay the license fee (Here: the bill for having high speed > Internet). Simply put: _irritating_ >;-} . > > > Arguments follow, feel free to skip to next comment. > > My experience of > - downloading MOST of the packages, > - creating a CDR of the cache > - and running setup.exe on it at home > has learnt me that it really isn't that easy in every situation. > > The basis of it - is here: > - It isn't that fun to download all of cygwin over 128k/ISDN (or slower), > you really need something faster than that. > - Not everybody has ADSL++/flat rate/eons of time for plain downloads. > - Please, also note: We have to pay in proportion to time, for beeing > online, > over here. This escalates into unbearable bills very soon. > > Example of the last: > With minimal Internet online-time I have to pay > more than $100/month currently. > I have no intention to increase the amount on those bills e.g. by > downloading the entire cygwin. > > > > To what sort of information are you referring? > > All the postings on the cygwin ML about installing without setup.exe, > creating CDR-copies of the cache _to be used as install-source_ and so on. > > Am I that unclear in style of writing? > I find it alarming. > s > > /Hannu E K Nevalainen, Mariefred, Sweden Hannu, IIRC, the only gotcha about using setup's cache on a CD-R was to not put it in the root of the CD-R (because of the way Windows omits the "\" from the root path, and that confuses setup). Placing the cache in a subdirectory, say, "G:\cygwin" works perfectly fine. Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ pechtcha AT cs DOT nyu DOT edu ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ igor AT watson DOT ibm DOT com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! Oh, boy, virtual memory! Now I'm gonna make myself a really *big* RAMdisk! -- /usr/games/fortune -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/