Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Authentication-Warning: slinky.cs.nyu.edu: pechtcha owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:59:29 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Pechtchanski Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com To: "linda w (cyg)" cc: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: [Meta-info (non-cyg specific)] (RE: >/dev/stderr broken in /bin/sh?, makewhatis unhappy, & apropos confused, or just me?) In-Reply-To: <00fb01c2e73d$6fa8a5e0$1403a8c0@sc.tlinx.org> Message-ID: Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, linda w (cyg) wrote: > > Replies inline below. Incidentally, why did your message arrive twice > > from two different "From:" addresses? And which should the > > replies go to? > --- > One address is subscribed to the list, the other is not. > Normally, if one responds to 'all', it goes to the OP and the list. > If one just hits "respond", it just goes to {OP|list} depending on > the list. Sometimes I forget which lists respond to OP and which > respond to list, and lazily hit Respond-all. Some people are bothered > when they receive an extra copy of a post, other people I've seen > take it as a sign of "deception" -- by not including a response to > their note directly to them. Most people who've been on the internet > a while realize these conventions and ignore the direct or lack of > a direct post as 'noise'. > > In this circumstance one could note that one email address, > not normally used on the cygwin[-X] lists came to them personally > and even though it also was addressed to a 'cygX' list, didn't show > up a 2nd time -- though a 2nd message did show up under the normal > address associated with this person's cyg postings. Logically, > the first posting that was to you and the list succeeded in reaching > you, but bounced because that posting address was not on the list and > the person, realizing that, reposted under the correct address. > > All rather elementary, no? > > As for why different from addresses -- I get spam sent to > 'cygwin'@mydomain, 'bind'@mydomain, but never [yet], say to 'MSMoney' > (used for registration) -- except for the advertising for tax software > from HRBlock. > > Haven't you ever done this with snail-mail? For magazine > subscriptions, I may use a different middle initial, or first name -- > even my dogs' names. Then I get to see what junk mail comes to me > from where and which magazine's shared my name with who. With > email registrations it's the same and with email lists you can see > what lists are harvested for email spam and which lists seem to either > be ignored by spam harvesters or have software in place to protect > list members. > > Since maintaining email list subscriptions takes time and > bandwidth, it's easier for harvesters to skim list archives for > things that look like email addresses. Some list archivers care > about this and take varying degrees of counter measures from no > email address display (display name only), or require a second click > from a thread page to display the email posters address -- and on > that page, possibly displaying it as a series of GIF letters, or 1 > combined gif/jpg image formed on the fly. Thus a human can read > the address, most automated scavenging software cannot. Since the > addresses are only displayed if a user takes the extra work to click > on a poster's address -- and only 1 address is shown per page, then > it's not that large of an extra load to generate such an image on the > fly with a script. > > As for which address to post to -- normal usenet etiquette > would say that information posted to you personally and not to > a list should not be reposted publically. > > If it was me receiving such and I *noticed* it (as you did), > I'd probably post to the address that I received via the public > channel if I was posting a response to that channel out of usenet > etiquette protocols. But in many cases I don't think I would even > notice -- since mail that comes to me directly goes into my inbox, > but email that comes from a list redirector usually goes into a > list-specific subfolder. > > I'll try to answer the OT later...have to run to a meeting... > Linda Linda, FYI, both went to the list, hence the question. See and . Igor P.S. There is no need to Cc: cygwin-apps@, the original question is OT there. -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ pechtcha AT cs DOT nyu DOT edu ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ igor AT watson DOT ibm DOT com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! Oh, boy, virtual memory! Now I'm gonna make myself a really *big* RAMdisk! -- /usr/games/fortune -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/