Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com From: "linda w \(cyg\)" To: Cc: Subject: [Meta-info (non-cyg specific)] (RE: >/dev/stderr broken in /bin/sh?, makewhatis unhappy, & apropos confused, or just me?) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:44:17 -0800 Message-ID: <00fb01c2e73d$6fa8a5e0$1403a8c0@sc.tlinx.org> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > Replies inline below. Incidentally, why did your message arrive twice > from two different "From:" addresses? And which should the > replies go to? --- One address is subscribed to the list, the other is not. Normally, if one responds to 'all', it goes to the OP and the list. If one just hits "respond", it just goes to {OP|list} depending on the list. Sometimes I forget which lists respond to OP and which respond to list, and lazily hit Respond-all. Some people are bothered when they receive an extra copy of a post, other people I've seen take it as a sign of "deception" -- by not including a response to their note directly to them. Most people who've been on the internet a while realize these conventions and ignore the direct or lack of a direct post as 'noise'. In this circumstance one could note that one email address, not normally used on the cygwin[-X] lists came to them personally and even though it also was addressed to a 'cygX' list, didn't show up a 2nd time -- though a 2nd message did show up under the normal address associated with this person's cyg postings. Logically, the first posting that was to you and the list succeeded in reaching you, but bounced because that posting address was not on the list and the person, realizing that, reposted under the correct address. All rather elementary, no? As for why different from addresses -- I get spam sent to 'cygwin'@mydomain, 'bind'@mydomain, but never [yet], say to 'MSMoney' (used for registration) -- except for the advertising for tax software from HRBlock. Haven't you ever done this with snail-mail? For magazine subscriptions, I may use a different middle initial, or first name -- even my dogs' names. Then I get to see what junk mail comes to me from where and which magazine's shared my name with who. With email registrations it's the same and with email lists you can see what lists are harvested for email spam and which lists seem to either be ignored by spam harvesters or have software in place to protect list members. Since maintaining email list subscriptions takes time and bandwidth, it's easier for harvesters to skim list archives for things that look like email addresses. Some list archivers care about this and take varying degrees of counter measures from no email address display (display name only), or require a second click from a thread page to display the email posters address -- and on that page, possibly displaying it as a series of GIF letters, or 1 combined gif/jpg image formed on the fly. Thus a human can read the address, most automated scavenging software cannot. Since the addresses are only displayed if a user takes the extra work to click on a poster's address -- and only 1 address is shown per page, then it's not that large of an extra load to generate such an image on the fly with a script. As for which address to post to -- normal usenet etiquette would say that information posted to you personally and not to a list should not be reposted publically. If it was me receiving such and I *noticed* it (as you did), I'd probably post to the address that I received via the public channel if I was posting a response to that channel out of usenet etiquette protocols. But in many cases I don't think I would even notice -- since mail that comes to me directly goes into my inbox, but email that comes from a list redirector usually goes into a list-specific subfolder. I'll try to answer the OT later...have to run to a meeting... Linda -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/