Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Message-ID: <000d01c2e04f$f4369050$0200000a@agamemnon> From: "Jon A. Lambert" To: References: <20030220132911 DOT GF1744 AT tishler DOT net> <1046476903 DOT 3e5ff8678775c AT imp DOT free DOT fr> <20030301002605 DOT GC1244 AT tishler DOT net> <003701c2dfac$11ebcbf0$0200000a AT agamemnon> <20030301053522 DOT GA3957 AT redhat DOT com> Subject: Re: GPL Violation Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 19:09:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thanks for your thoughful arguments. However I am not the poster who is distributing fetchmail. I do distribute a version of gdbm with full sources though. J. Lambert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Faylor" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:35 AM Subject: Re: GPL Violation > On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:36:04PM -0500, Jon A. Lambert wrote: > >If you provide download links to where one can download the software > >does that not satisfy the following license provision? > > The GPL doesn't say anything about your using someone else to satisfy > your obligations. If *you* provide binaries, then *you* provide sources. > A download link to another site outside of your control does not satisfy > the GPL. > > Believe me. We know what we're doing. We've been through this dance a > hundred times before. There seems to be some kind of common mindset > where people think they don't have to provide sources and offer up > exactly the same argument whenever they are told that they do. They > always point out that they love free software and they always try to > find some clause in the GPL as a way to justify their actions. You > aren't saying anything we haven't heard before. > > You want more explanation? What happens when we update the DLL and the > sources for the version of the DLL that you're providing disappear from > cygwin.com? How is the GPL satisfied in that scenario? There's a > binary without sources. That sure sounds wrong to me. > > What happens if I decide that I hate cygwin and take down the web site? > Where do your users get the sources for the binaries? > > >"If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering > >access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access > >to copy the source code from the same place counts as distribution of > >the source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy > >the source along with the object code." > > > >If not what then does the above provision mean? Or more specifically > >just what does "place" mean? The visible place or space such as web > >page that offers links to source and binaries side by side, or some > >physical constraint that they both must reside on the same domain, same > >machine or *gasp* even same hard drive. Is it not the spirit of > >license of the license to offer the source up and not hide it? Or is > >it to demand some sort of fixed network topology? > > There is no spirit here. The GPL is clear. It exists for a purpose. > If you are providing a binary, then you must provide the source. > > Please either provide the sources for the DLL on your web site or remove > cygwin1.dll from your distribution. > > I'm not saying this because I'm mean. I'm saying this because if we > don't enforce the license then when some big company wants to distribute > the DLL with their software offering and we say "You can't do that" they > can point at you and say "Oh yeah? Sorry but you allowed that guy over > there to get away with it, so you obviously are not being consistent in > your enforcement." And, then we get to fight about it in court. > > Btw, I see that you do have the sources for fetchmail on your site so > that part at least is good. > > cgf > > -- > Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html > Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html > FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ > > -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/