Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Message-ID: <3E524F06.2090209@rfk.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:19:34 -0500 From: "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc.)" Reply-To: lhall AT rfk DOT com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dieter Meinert CC: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: FW: Why the rash of people bypassing setup.exe to install? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dieter Meinert wrote: > |=> -----Original Message----- > |=> From: Max Bowsher [mailto:maxb AT ukf DOT net] > |=> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:01 PM > |=> To: Dieter Meinert; cygwin AT cygwin DOT com > |=> Subject: Re: Why the rash of people bypassing setup.exe to install? > |=> > |=> > |=> Dieter Meinert wrote: > |=> > I was going through all this thread wondering if noone > |=> > would see the (to me as a late Un*x guy) obvious: > |=> > > |=> > Consider a slooooooooooooooooooooow net connection, e.g by > |=> > 14.4 K Modem, or as Hannu does, > |=> > several hosts to be updated. The natural thing to me > |=> > appears to download the tar file, unpack > |=> > it somewhere, probably on a CD, and then run setup on your > |=> > target machine. > |=> > |=> What are you talking about? You do *not* unpack the > |=> downloaded tar files > I did, well, almost. > |=> manually. EVER. You use setup.exe. Why do you think that is > |=> a good idea? > > Because I installed cygwin just that way: > I have no internet connection on my PC, so I borrowed a CD someone burned from the tarball. > I put it into my CD drive, and copied setup.exe from CD to hard disk. > Then I ran setup.exe and gave it the path of my CDrom as source path. > Since then cygwin (1.3.10) runs well on my PC. Well, maybe something changed in setup since > that version, I don't mind as long as this works for me. Ugh! You are confused! You admit to using setup to install. This is the recommended approach so I don't see how what you're suggesting is any different than using one of the supported ways of installing with setup. It is not, nor has it ever been, a requirement that you be connected to the internet to install via setup. If you have already downloaded the packages locally, you can install any of those packages via setup without any internet connection. This is apparently what you did. Your comment about "download a tar file, unpack it somewhere" implies something else though and can't be reconciled with Cygwin packages, their format, and how they are installed via setup. For the record, it is *possible* to install a Cygwin package without setup. There's no magic here. However, it is *not* recommended for anyone that doesn't know about Cygwin packages and how they are made. They are *not* just tar files. They are bzipped tar files. Not just any tool that might know how to process bzipped tar files will understand the Cygwin mount table or be able to create symbolic links. No tool that understands the file format will run the post installation scripts for a package. Setup does all this. This is why we recommend using it. Clearly you did so it appears you are confused about the topic of this discussion, which is no crime. But let's end this line of discussion here since it really doesn't contribute anything to the topic at hand. TIA, -- Larry Hall lhall AT rfk DOT com RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/