Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Why the rash of people bypassing setup.exe to install? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:58:51 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: From: "Dieter Meinert" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id h1HEooO22896 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all, I was going through all this thread wondering if noone would see the (to me as a late Un*x guy) obvious: Consider a slooooooooooooooooooooow net connection, e.g by 14.4 K Modem, or as Hannu does, several hosts to be updated. The natural thing to me appears to download the tar file, unpack it somewhere, probably on a CD, and then run setup on your target machine. This would account for a load on the tar files while setup isn't really triggered on the mirrors. In this context I'd consider it a bad, at least confusing, idea to rename the tar.bz2 files to something else. Regards Dieter |=> -----Original Message----- |=> From: Hannu E K Nevalainen (garbage mail) |=> [mailto:garbage_collector AT telia DOT com] |=> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:06 PM |=> To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com |=> Subject: RE: Why the rash of people bypassing setup.exe |to install? => |=> |=> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:31:05PM -0500, Rolf |Campbell wrote: => > >Well, I maintain an internal mirror |for my company, and => I use a custom |=> > >python script to parse our custom setup.ini and |fetch the needed => > packages. |=> > >But, I never used sources.redhat.com. |=> > |=> > So, translation: "I have no insight into the problem |but => I thought I'd |=> > send email anyway." |=> > |=> > cgf |=> |=> Sorry Christopher, but did you really READ what he |said: => AFAICT it is |=> something like: |=> I've got LOADS OF COMPUTERS(or some such) that I wish |to => have fully updated |=> CYGWIN installations on; this is what I've decided to |do as => I feel it is |=> sane. |=> |=> Take a bunch of the above, running setup.exe on their |own, => and all of the |=> mirrors will have a huge network load when a number of |=> updates appear. |=> |=> Here comes more of "I have no insight" to rant on; just | => shoot (I wouldn't be |=> too surprised as I haven't read much of the FAQ's and |README's): => |=> Seems to me as there is more interest in cygwin than |you expected. => setup.exe COULD have some shortcomings |here: e.g. the |=> possibility to have a |=> company-local "mini-mirror" that (updated by some kind |of => scripting) can be |=> used by local machines as source for updating the |installed => cygwin copies. |=> NOTE: "scripting" implies AUTOMATIC, e.g. with *no* |user => intervention at |=> all. |=> |=> e.g: |=> |=> To have the thing below work AUTOMATICALLLY, with |minimal user => intervention: |=> |=> [cygwin mirror] --Internet--> [local mirror] --LAN--> |[any => # of cygwin |=> installs] |=> |=> |=> Another side of all this: |=> |=> Users tend to not read more than necessary. I've been |=> there myself. Also |=> taking note of how my friends and work mates act at |these occasions. => The larger the amount of descriptive |text you have the => larger the amount of |=> FAQ's generated. In other words: I believe there is |some => kind of quadratic |=> (y=x^2) relation between README quality and FAQ amount |;-) => [i.e. too little |=> (or too much) text -> high amount of FAQ's] |=> |=> May I suggest that you(the cygwin dev group) add a |bullet list on => www.cygwin.com in the following style, |at the very top of the page: => |=> THE EASY WAY TO INSTALL CYGWIN |=> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |=> 1 ) download "setup.exe" (Cygwin Package |=> Manager or whatever) |=> 2a) run "setup.exe" |=> 2b) decide where to put "local mirror" |=> (.e.g. C:\cygwin\mirror\) |=> 2d) decide "which mirror" to get packages from |=> (e.g. ftp://ftp.blah.net) |=> 2d) hit "GO" |=> |=> At most FIVE items or so, I'd say. |=> |=> /Hannu E K Nevalainen, Mariefred, Sweden - undergrad |who => shld be do'in his |=> hmwrk |=> |=> |=> -- |=> Unsubscribe info: |http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple => Bug reporting: | http://cygwin.com/bugs.html |=> Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html |=> FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ |=> |=> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use iQEVAwUBPlCWO7YBkYAdGmPFAQFbaQf/Sr7KLIbK/ZUAolIAtUm2eSuUCVJVrHvN TpMomTC8BTpXSGV51CDHST8wRjYsACC9CCYPlZ5TRg50iw5ktHstpUFq+Wpkwhk8 DU+OBLtWmjfZQo6bstTx89vN18ek2yQBfdCi5b159UyI8xBgfT72SVyE61Ek4QWm /PvTIh3W2ULzsl0Jjmoz189/wyTJGL3up+mWlEHg1N4T2qqH7cGO9jWcStM3t1xE 9jpu3hLoTM+b8OsTaO/zbCCP5nWvWMMu1kHXaNNoVUlCers+Uc6/2qDgpDOaU2n8 cLccO4VBmvQPSOcjOctitrqqSU7uKub/bHIUI84UIRimWLCV0JIogg== =+NsN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/