Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Authentication-Warning: slinky.cs.nyu.edu: pechtcha owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:29:49 -0500 (EST) From: Igor Pechtchanski Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com To: Rui Carmo cc: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: A user friendly suggestion In-Reply-To: <22576BB9-0A54-11D7-B072-000393D8E854@accao.net> Message-ID: Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The web archive mechanism provides a very useful "Raw text" feature. FWIW, here's my procedure for reading/replying: 1) subscribe to cygwin-allow AT cygwin DOT com (necessary to be considered subscribed to the list, you will not receive any actual messages) For each message you want to reply to: 2) read the message 3) follow the "Raw text" link, select all and copy 4) open a bash shell, run $ cat | sed -e '1,/^$/s/ at /@/g' -e '1,/^$/s/ dot /./g' > message and paste the message followed by a Ctrl-D. Make sure the message is smaller than 64k, otherwise an xterm/rxvt will hang - beware of attachments. You can paste it into a text editor and copy/paste smaller chunks if necessary, or use a snapshot I posted to the list a while ago - http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-11/msg01593.html ) 5) use your favorite mailing software, open or import the file 'message' (in mbox format), and reply. I use pine with no problems. The only gotcha is that the above shell line replaces every " at " by an "@", and " dot " by a ".", which could be annoying if there's an "at" or a "dot" in the subject (the former being more likely). It is possible to modify the above to accomodate that, but it's easier to just scan the Subject: line and replace the "@" by an " at " if necessary. Igor On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Rui Carmo wrote: > Well, I've done it both ways. I've followed the list over the last year > via the Web, and only recently I've subscribed in order to keep closer > track of the 1.3.16-17 issues. > > Digests are fine for some people (and slower mailing-lists), but others > (like me) hate scrolling up and down inside a message to find similar > subjects/threads, and then having to follow parts of the plot in other > digests, so on and so forth. It's a royal pain, and does not save any > real amount of time or traffic - rather the opposite, at least for me. > :) > > So I re-subscribed to the mailing-list and, after two weeks (and even > though it's been easy to tame procmail to do my bidding), I'm already > considering unsubscribing due to the sheer volume of mail (and I don't > actually store it on my box, but on an IMAP server, so I read it from > _five_ different boxes now...). Cygwin + darwinports + chimera + a > bundle of networking and security lists equals around 200 messages a > day... :/ > > The web archive is much easier to handle, so any little enhancements > (like adding the subject to the mailto: link, which seems a trivial > endeavour that no-one will pick up on for sheer lack of time) would be > welcome. > > Since this "why don't you subscribe" thing seems to happen every single > time anyone mentions they are not subscribed, I'd like to suggest the > following addition to the Cygwin FAQ or netiquette section for the > mailing-lists: :) > > "Please remember that people who read the mailing-list via the Web > should not be treated like second-class citizens. Given the Web's form > of interaction, they have to make an effort to follow the list > actively, not just lurking passively until mail arrives." > > And now, back to Cygwin. :) > > Rui Carmo > > On Saturday, Dec 7, 2002, at 22:07 Europe/Lisbon, > elfyn-cygwin AT mail DOT exposure DOT org DOT uk wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Im not sure about everyone else, but I subscribe to the list so I get > > the > > messages in my mailbox. If you do subscribe and you don't want to get > > all > > of the messages from the list you can use the cygwin-digest, a daily > > digest > > of the traffic on the list, instead of revieving all and every message. > > > > See http://cygwin.com/ml/ > > > > On the latter is could not see your post... Whats it called? > > > > Elfyn > > elfyn AT exposure DOT org DOT uk > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Joseph I. Davida jd108 AT pacbell DOT net > > Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 04:09:56 -0800 > > To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com > > Subject: A user friendly suggestion > > > > > > Hi folks, > > It would be nice if the postings to the Cygwin > > mailing lists contain a link to reply to the posting > > when these articles are viewed via a web browser via > > URL http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-12/ > > It would obviate cutting and pasting. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > > P.S: has anyone experienced the problems I have posted > > about setup.exe on Win2K Professional? -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_ pechtcha AT cs DOT nyu DOT edu ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ igor AT watson DOT ibm DOT com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! 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