Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6236.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: bash and the delete key Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:35:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Stephan Mueller" To: "Samuel" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 17:39:12.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EDEE520:01C238B9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id g6VHrR514879 I expect that the old keystrokes will probably be supported pretty much forever (hmm, does Unix still go into all uppercase mode if you enter your userid in all caps at login?) I don't know how universal the old cut/copy/paste keystrokes are, but Ctrl-C/X/V are universal in Windows apps these days. I wasn't responding to the message you were responding to (about Insert), I was responding to yours (about Ctrl-Insert, etc.). You suggested that the obsolete Windows keystrokes were a good choice for use in Cygwin because "if a Windows user were to get in the habit of using them in Windows then they should be able to use the "correct" keys by habit". My objection was to the part were you suggested that Windows users get into the habit of using the obsolete keys in Windows. stephan(not necessarily reflecting the views of my employer); -----Original Message----- From: Samuel [mailto:samuel AT socal DOT rr DOT com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 7:26 AM To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: bash and the delete key If I had things my way, I would encourage Microsoft to discontinue making the transition in the wrong direction. The support of Shift+Insert, Ctrl+Insert and Shift+Delete are so universal that I think there would Ctrl+be significant protest if support was discontinued. I understand that you are advising not to encourage use of them but notice that I responded to a recomendation to use "Insert" instead of Shift-Insert. I am surprised that you did not make a comment on use of plain "Insert". Also not that my reply was for a discussion in which the Microsoft recommendation is not possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Mueller" To: "Samuel" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: RE: bash and the delete key Please note that the Ctrl-Insert/Shift-Insert/Shift-Delete keystrokes are legacy, supported for backwards compatibility. The modern standard is indeed Ctrl-C/V/X. From "The Windows Interface Guidelines for Software Design" (covers Windows 95 and NT! -- so you know it's not brand new :-) "The system still supports shortcut assignments available in earlier versions of Microsoft Windows (Alt+Backspace, Shift+Insert, Ctrl+Insert, Shift+Delete). You should consider supporting them (though not documenting them) to support the transition of users." (This is a footnote in Appendix B, which documents the standard shortcuts - Ctrl-C/V/X among them). As long as folks don't actually make the transition, I suspect the OS will continue to support them, but please, let's not encourage folks to make the transition in the wrong direction :-) stephan(); -----Original Message----- From: Samuel [mailto:samuel AT socal DOT rr DOT com] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:03 PM To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: bash and the delete key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall R Schulz" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: RE: bash and the delete key > > Mapping the insert clipboard to the "Insert" key is sufficiently > "hella-useful." I did not pay sufficient attention to what I was doing and this reply got sent to Randall instead of to the list, so it has been delayed a day. I don't use Ctrl-V to insert the clipboard; I use Shift-Insert. I use Ctrl-Insert to copy to the clipboard and Shift-Delete to cut. These have been standard since Windows 3.1. I learned to use them by using the technique of remembering that Ctrl-Insert begins with "C" as in "Copy". If these keys were used in CygWin and if a Windows user were to get in the habit of using them in Windows then they should be able to use the "correct" keys by habit. I have encountered very few situations in which Ctrl-Insert does not work and in the situations it does not work I did not even think to try using Ctrl-V. I think that one situation in which Ctrl-Insert does not work is Adobe Acrobat (the find dialog at least) and all others are less common; at least less commonly used by me. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/