Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Path: not-for-mail From: "Gordon R. Keehn" Newsgroups: gmane.os.cygwin Subject: Re: rebase and ME Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:29:58 -0400 Organization: IBM Corporation Lines: 95 Message-ID: <3D481085.BB50DE36@us.ibm.com> References: <20020731152211 DOT 8053 DOT qmail AT web21001 DOT mail DOT yahoo DOT com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bi01p1.nc.us.ibm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1028132952 18123 129.33.49.251 (31 Jul 2002 16:29:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet AT main DOT gmane DOT org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Michael A Chase X-Accept-Language: en Nicholas Wourms wrote: > --- Michael A Chase wrote: > > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:59:00 -0400 "Gordon R. Keehn" > > wrote: > > > > > If Bill Gates is laughing, it's because people actually paid > > money, > > > directly or through an hardware vendor, > > Like IBM? IIRC, they were shipping NetVistas [possibly Thinkpads, > too] with WinME. *Tsk* *Tsk* Isn't that like the pot calling the > kettle black? > > Seriously, though, I didn't pay a dime for this notebook. I got it > for free for winning an employee contest at the place I work. Good for you. Yes, IBM did offer NetVista's with ME. I bought one myself. The second time I booted it, it was to do a cold install of Win2K Pro, which I immediately upgraded to SP1. (It's now at SP2, and in a few months, I'll bring it up to SP3.) When it's the only game in town, there's no shame in playing. > > > > for an abomination like ME. Now that SP1 is expected > > momentarily, you > > > owe it to yourself, not to Billy G, to > > > upgrade to XP Pro at the earliest opportunity. > > As a general rule of thumb, I usually don't upgrade until SP2 comes > out. Windows2000 has its own issues, which I won't elaborate on. As > for XP, I don't know about anyone else, but I find the XP window > manager to be abyssmal. I hate all that damned color and the menus > are all wrong. I don't need any of that crap, as it looks like it > would frankly be fairly resource intensive. No software product is perfect, including Service Packs. If they were, people like me would be out of work. Still, Service Pack 1 *should* cover most of the serious issues that made it through beta. That's a matter of personal choice. I could live without the changes XP made to the UI, as well. My wife's Thinkpad and my NetVista systems are running Win2K -- the third is RedHat 7.2; I see no reason to upgrade until forced by my next hardware purchase. If (God forbid!) I were still running ME, though, I'm not sure I'd wait for the upcoming service pack before upgrading. User interface changes are inconvenient, and I rarely (never?) see a valid reason why they're necessary. (And Microsoft isn't the only, nor even necessarily the worst, offender.) If I upgrade an operating system or a product, I do it because the new version has features that I want (or need). User interface is not a factor in the decision. > > > Or at least to Win 95. > > *Sigh*, if only it were possible to go back to Win98SE, which [IMHO] > was the most stable version of Windows to date. Unfortunately, > Compaq has not backported its proprietary drivers [the WinME drivers > don't work on Win98SE]. I originally went from Win98SE to Win2K because I was tired of reloading Windows and reinstalling all my products twice a year. (Usually when the time spent rebooting after blue-screen lockups exceeded my productive time.) I now have responsibility for two systems running Win2K Pro. One has been stable since I built it, the other I reloaded (after 18 months) because I originally upgraded rather than doing a cold install, and wanted to get rid of some excess baggage. In that time I can't honestly say I've never had a blue screen, but I can't say I have, either, which means that it's been so long and they're so rare that I don't remember. > > Cheers, > Nicholas > > -- > This is not (or at least, is not intended to be) a flame-fest. Personal computers imply a large degree of personal choice, and I don't expect you to agree with me (except in those cases where I'm obviously right ;-{)> ). I've been managing systems for a lot of years on a lot of platforms, and suppose I've become a bit philosophical about the whole thing. The only two absolutes are, software ALWAYS has bugs, and the best user interface is ALWAYS the one I'm using now. -- ---- Gordon R. Keehn, CPSM Change Team CICS/390 Service, USA Gordon Keehn/Raleigh/IBM AT IBMUS, 1-919-254-1690 -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/