Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Message-ID: <20020731145728.62981.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Barry Buchbinder Subject: Re: bash and the delete key To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Cc: samuel AT socal DOT rr DOT com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Right! Like M$ is going to help train their users to do things the *nix way so switching to *nix will be easier! Regarding "The support of ... are so universal": M$ considers their way to be universal, and considering their market share, it is closer to being true than many of us like. - Barry ================= If I had things my way, I would encourage Microsoft to discontinue making the transition in the wrong direction. The support of Shift+Insert, Ctrl+Insert and Shift+Delete are so universal that I think there would be significant protest if support was discontinued. I understand that you are advising not to encourage use of them but notice that I responded to a recomendation to use "Insert" instead of Shift-Insert. I am surprised that you did not make a comment on use of plain "Insert". Also not that my reply was for a discussion in which the Microsoft recommendation is not possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Mueller" To: "Samuel" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: RE: bash and the delete key Please note that the Ctrl-Insert/Shift-Insert/Shift-Delete keystrokes are legacy, supported for backwards compatibility. The modern standard is indeed Ctrl-C/V/X. From "The Windows Interface Guidelines for Software Design" (covers Windows 95 and NT! -- so you know it's not brand new :-) "The system still supports shortcut assignments available in earlier versions of Microsoft Windows (Alt+Backspace, Shift+Insert, Ctrl+Insert, Shift+Delete). You should consider supporting them (though not documenting them) to support the transition of users." (This is a footnote in Appendix B, which documents the standard shortcuts - Ctrl-C/V/X among them). As long as folks don't actually make the transition, I suspect the OS will continue to support them, but please, let's not encourage folks to make the transition in the wrong direction :-) stephan(); -----Original Message----- From: Samuel [mailto:samuel AT socal DOT rr DOT com] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:03 PM To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: bash and the delete key ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall R Schulz" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: RE: bash and the delete key > > Mapping the insert clipboard to the "Insert" key is sufficiently > "hella-useful." I did not pay sufficient attention to what I was doing and this reply got sent to Randall instead of to the list, so it has been delayed a day. I don't use Ctrl-V to insert the clipboard; I use Shift-Insert. I use Ctrl-Insert to copy to the clipboard and Shift-Delete to cut. These have been standard since Windows 3.1. I learned to use them by using the technique of remembering that Ctrl-Insert begins with "C" as in "Copy". If these keys were used in CygWin and if a Windows user were to get in the habit of using them in Windows then they should be able to use the "correct" keys by habit. I have encountered very few situations in which Ctrl-Insert does not work and in the situations it does not work I did not even think to try using Ctrl-V. I think that one situation in which Ctrl-Insert does not work is Adobe Acrobat (the find dialog at least) and all others are less common; at least less commonly used by me. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/