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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:42:51 -0400
From: Charles Wilson <cwilson AT ece DOT gatech DOT edu>
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To: Andreas Eibach <a DOT eibach AT gmx DOT net>
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Subject: Re: SPAM - Re: (((((((-= Enter To Win One of 25 Dream Vacations!! =-)))))))
References: <IDCWEBSERVERgJKVApw00000688 AT idcwebserver DOT idcc DOT net> <01090508544004 DOT 01602 AT pessard DOT research DOT canon DOT com DOT au> <20010904221839 DOT A12254 AT redhat DOT com> <005b01c151b5$6641c000$221007d5 AT andreas>
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Sigh.  I *know* I shouldn't extend this thread, but I just can't help 
myself.

1) There IS filtering of messages.  There are FAR more spams received by 
the maillist processor than actually make it out to all of us on the 
cygwin list.

2) Perhaps LKML's filtering is better than ours.  However, some of the 
draconian measures used by LKML have resulted in many "false positives" 
-- I seem to recall one long-time, well-respected kernel hacker who 
eventually gave up on the kernel, because he was continually being 
rejected by the auto-spam filter.

3) Cygwin used to use ORBS to block spam.  However, AFAIRC, ORBS is 
dead, MAPS has been taken over by the borg and the dirty tricks squad, 
etc etc.  Basically, it seems as though the spammer's lawyer-vampires 
have managed to neuter these spam-block services.  (I'm vague on the 
details, go do a web search on cnet.com or slashdot for more info...)

The point: we all hate spam.  Chris does as good a job as he can 
manually blocking spammer's mail address -- but that's like playing 
whack-a-mole.  Stuff will get through.  Just hit 'd' and move on. 
Nuthin' to see here, folks.  These aren't the droids you're looking for. 
  Move along.

--Chuck


Andreas Eibach wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Faylor" <cygwin AT cygwin DOT com>
> To: "Zdzislaw Sliwinski" <dishlav AT research DOT canon DOT com DOT au>
> Cc: <cygwin AT cygwin DOT com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 4:18 AM
> Subject: Re: SPAM - Re: (((((((-= Enter To Win One of 25 Dream Vacations!!
> =-)))))))
> 
> 
> 
>>On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:54:40AM +1000, Zdzislaw Sliwinski wrote:
>>
>>>Hi guys,
>>>
>>>Is there a way to get rid of the mails like the one I got today?
>>>
>>Please do not post spam to the cygwin mailing list.
>>
>>If you do not like the occasional spam that shows up in the cygwin
>>mailing list, then unsubscribe from the cygwin mailing list.
>>
>>Reposting obnoxious spam is certainly not any kind of solution.
>>
> 
> Yes, but I wonder why this filtering routines DO work in the linux kernel
> mailing list (LKML), for example, and not here at all (provided there _are_
> any implemented at least, well I absolutely don't know how this is handled
> here!).
> If you insist to find spam amongst the LKML posts, you can find it too, but
> it might take 2000 posts to find ONE spam post. On Cygwin ML, you can take
> 500 random posts, and you're likely to find up to  spam posts amongst them.
> I don't think it's impossible to filter this - but just saying "if you don't
> like it, don't subscribe to cygwin ML" (sorry cgf!) is really one of the
> worst excuses I've heard.
> I'm unable to do something against this but when the people at kernel.org
> can do this, you guys can do it too. There's no lack of skilled people on
> this list who couldn't eventually handle this issue.
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 
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