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Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:40:25 +0200
From: Pavel Tsekov <ptsekov AT syntrex DOT com>
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Subject: WTF?!
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Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 01:37:27AM -0400, Christopher Currie wrote:
> >Sorry for the cross-posting, but this regards a bug in libiberty and I
> >don't know whether gcc or binutils has ownership of it.
> 
> If you are going to take it upon yourself to take a cygwin problem into
> other mailing lists, you really should check out the CVS sources to see
> if this has actually been solved or not.
> 
> >On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:47:01AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >> It is just C source code we're talking about, right?  You have an editor?
> >> Look at the place where the errors are coming from and make an
> >> educated guess about fixing it.
> >>
> >> What is the worse that can happen?  If you screw up do you think that
> >> this will cause gcc to subtly miscompile your code so that all of the
> >> add instructions are turned into sub instructions or something?  That's
> >> not going to happen.
> >>
> >> You are all programmers right?  Inspect the code.  Invest five minutes
> >> worth of analysis into the problem.
> >>
> >> If this is too tough for you, try removing the offending file from the
> >> makefile or building from CVS sources.
> >>
> >> I can't believe that there are three messages on this subject from people
> >> who are apparently programmers without one suggested fix.
> >
> ><rant>
> >Probably because most of them are busy trying use the tools to do the
> >work they get paid to do, rather than spend the time fixing the tools.
> >Since backing out to the previous version allows them to do that, they've
> >done what's expected of them and logged a bug report that (IMHO) helps
> >a maintainer (who, I would think, either has volunteered or is paid to
> >do such things) track down what might be causing the problem.
> ></rant>
> 
> Some points:
> 
> 1) No one is paid to support this code.
> 
> 2) No one has volunteered to support other people's efforts to compile the
>    code.
> 
> 3) No one was asking for a definitive fix.  I was basically commenting on
>    how strange it was that people who are supposed to be programmers were
>    stalled for days over a problem that could have been solved by an #ifdef.
>    The problem has been fixed definitively in sources.redhat.com CVS sources
>    for weeks.  However, that fix won't magically propagate to older source
>    tar balls.  So, a brain-dead simple fix to strerror.c is required.
> 
>    Either that or you can use the solution THAT I ALREADY SUGGESTED.
> 
> 4) If someone is building the code on their own rather than using the binaries
>    that *I did* volunteer to provide then it is either part of their job or
>    they have some other reason for doing it.  It's not part of my job in
>    any way to track down their problems for them.  I could build the programs
>    just fine when I released them.  If that changes over time, I'm not going
>    to make a new release just to satisfy people who want to build things on
>    their own.  If someone needs to do that then they really should know what
>    they are doing.  Either that or they should pay someone to support them.
>    Or, they could try to use the *latest* versions of the sources where any
>    problems would be solved.
> 
> 5) Even if we were to buy into your theory that I have either volunteered
>    to help you build the tools or your even more inane theory that I am
>    actually being *paid* to help people for free; merely reporting a problem
>    with no more analysis than a cut and paste of an error message is hardly
>    a way to help me out.  Even if it was a vague help, the majority of this
>    thread was comprised of "I am stalled too! I need a fix!" messages which
>    conveyed no useful information.
> 
> I haven't looked at your patch.  You seem competent so I assume that it
> solves your problem.
> 
> I also assume that a patch won't help most of the original posters who
> were complaining in the cygwin mailing list since it will require them
> to learn about both patch and autoconf.  However, maybe there are some
> other previously silent but competent people like you who were also
> silently fuming over the injustice of not being able to compile their
> own version of the tools and maybe they will be able to use the solution
> that you provided.
> 
> Or, you could always just remove strerror from the Makefile like I
> originally suggested...
> 
> cgf
> 

Cristopher, why dont just you stop reading those posts which actually 
dont tend to be good enough for you ? I think if point 1 applies to
you then you are not being paid to read the mailing lists too - are you
?
So "silly" mails are easily to be recognized - you can just pass them
by.

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