Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT sources DOT redhat DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT sources DOT redhat DOT com Message-ID: <3B3D117F.9A7457E3@etr-usa.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:38:39 -0600 From: Warren Young Organization: -ENOENT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cygwin-L Subject: Re: My analysis of some recent discussions. References: <80575AFA5F0DD31197CE00805F650D7602CF57 AT wilber DOT adroit DOT com> <3B3CBB32 DOT D6308294 AT beamreachnetworks DOT com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Eric M. Monsler" wrote: I agree with everything you said. I have only one comment: > The current state of cygwin, with the setup.exe and the current > documentation, is sufficient that many people in the second category are > able to use it successfully. I think you could blame setup.exe for many of the emails that hit this list. I don't wish it to go away -- I just think that there are a whole lot of people who, if they're given an installation wizard, expect an idiot-proof installation process and a drool-proof package when the installer finishes. In other words, setup.exe's [relative] polish belies the incomplete nature of the product it installs. This same sort of thing happens with Linux, by the way -- you get a pretty installer with most distros, but Linux isn't a perfect Windows replacement yet, so a lot of people who try Linux go away thinking they've been cheated with fancy wrapping around a broken product. This is just a matter of perception, of course, but Cygwin is a whole lot more "broken" in this sense than Linux is. This is perfectly understandable: Cygwin is a magnificent hack, in every Jargon File sense of that word. I don't intend specific criticism by these observations. It's just my assessment of the current state of things. -- = Warren -- ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/