Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT sources DOT redhat DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT sources DOT redhat DOT com X-Sent: 25 Jun 2001 20:15:53 GMT Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:15:53 -0400 From: "Ken Collins" To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: Blunt Tools (was: cgf does not want private email about cygwin) Message-ID: <20010625161553.B804@pinksheets.com> Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <4 DOT 3 DOT 1 DOT 2 DOT 20010625120128 DOT 02021c80 AT pop DOT ma DOT ultranet DOT com> <20010625101924 DOT C9771 AT redhat DOT com> <20010625111149 DOT B1176 AT pinksheets DOT com> <3B375E40 DOT 1000304 AT ece DOT gatech DOT edu> <4 DOT 3 DOT 1 DOT 2 DOT 20010625120128 DOT 02021c80 AT pop DOT ma DOT ultranet DOT com> <20010625141927 DOT B1280 AT pinksheets DOT com> <4 DOT 3 DOT 1 DOT 2 DOT 20010625144435 DOT 02095a28 AT pop DOT ma DOT ultranet DOT com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20010625144435.02095a28@pop.ma.ultranet.com>; from lhall@rfk.com on Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 03:12:26PM -0400 > Ah, so you're saying that because a rude person is often curt that a > curt person is being rude? If you find this is the case, perhaps you're > too thin skinned for any email list. I don't see why one liners have > to be considered rude. Perhaps :) > OK, and what percentage of the email sent to this list with queries gets > this kind of response (note that the response you refer to was not > imparting any information, curt, rude, or otherwise)? I'm not sure that > we will ever be able to control all the response to this list (unless > we adopt a moderated forum, in which case we need a volunteer for that). > My opinion is that there are very few responses to posters that would be > generally considered to be without some helpful intent. Do you feel > otherwise? If so, how bad do you think it is? 1% of the responses are > like this? 5%? 10%? 25%? 50%? More? It wouldn't be too hard to write a perl script that queries Google and determines that number precisely by looking up messages whose contents are merely those of a previous post plus a Google search, but I don't have time to do it so I'll leave it to you :) Does it really help to quantify such a thing? I was bothered by it and someone else as well. I didn't use the word rude initially, preferring curt and unpleasant instead (and you agree that the messages are curt and not intended to please everyone). Yet, the notion of rudeness worked its way into the dialogue. The feeling is out there. My ideal response imparted the information that someone on the list might be willing to answer further questions about porting parts of Debian once the subject had been narrowed down to where it didn't involve too many assumptions. I think that was the response the request hoped for. > You shouldn't feel bashful about chiming in with your responses if you > feel they are valid and helpful. That's what this list is about. In > terms of list bugs on a web page somewhere, perhaps this is a worthwhile > idea but my guess is that it won't get much use. Most bugs have some > representation in the email archives and there's a good number of folks > that don't look there for them. My guess is this bug list would just > become another resource that people don't know about and don't use > effectively. There have been discussions in the past about setting up a > bug reporting/tracking system but the general consensus is that the users > on this list would not use it very effectively. Maybe we're wrong! ;-) > Perhaps you would be interested in starting up such a bug list to see if > it would help? I know I use Java's bug tracking quite a bit. If I could get space on a server I might be interested in doing it. > Sounds to me like you're a little to concerned about getting your feet > wet here. Really, the water ain't that cold! ;-) While the list prefers > bug reports with patches, any report with good information and possibly > someone behind it willing to do a little debugging is very much > appreciated. Of course, if you are uncomfortable with the notion, you > always have the option to continue to lurk. I've mentioned a couple problems and was satisfied with the response. Mutt works with Vim again. What more could I ask for? Ken Collins -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple