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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:16:12 -0800
From: Jim Balter <jqb AT digisle DOT net>
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Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
> [Sorry for the duplicate.  I forgot to cc jqb AT digisle DOT net]
> 
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 08:06:28AM -0800, Jim Balter wrote:
> >Earnie Boyd wrote:
> >> Jim Balter wrote:
> >>>I have a symlink from /bin to /usr/bin.  Setup tells me that it is
> >>>going to delete /usr/bin to put a directory there.  Aside from that
> >>>being a dumb thing to do when it is already a symlink to a directory,
> >>>there isn't even a cancel button on the popup.  Of course, if there
> >>>were a cancel button, I suppose it would just exit the program like the
> >>>cancel button on the download popup does, instead of going to the
> >>>previous state like any *sensible* program would do.  I can't imagine
> >>>that this thing goes through any sort of QA; certainly none of the QA
> >>>engineers I know would allow this sort of user interface to pass.
> >>
> >>If *you* can do it better, then please *do*.  Submit a patch, complete
> >>the assignment forms and your patch will be gratefully considered.  Oh,
> >>and don't forget to have *your* QA engineers test it.
> >
> >In other words, you aren't really interested in user feedback or
> >improving your creations.
> 
> It's not exactly Earnie's creation.  And, we do listen to user feedback but
> this is a free software project.  You downloaded something at zero cost to
> yourself.  You could consider actually donating more than snide remarks.
> 
> >> Especially, if you plan to use the same tool to upgrade your
> >> software.
> >
> >I had actually hoped that the tool might have gotten better in
> >subsequent releases, but I was careful to write a script to restore my
> >configuration after running setup in case it idioticly destroyed it
> >again.  I've been programming for 35 years and I know how to deal with
> >crap, but I don't have to like it or approve of it.  You of course can
> >feel free to ignore this because I'm obviously a troublemaker with an
> >attitude, but if you had any inner moral strength you would add this to
> >your bug list.  After all, that's the link I followed.
> 
> "moral strength"???  "programming for 35 years"???  Heh.
> 
> FYI, if you had presented your original problem in a more restrained
> fashion you probably would have received a better response.  Instead you
> resorted to sarcasm and inneuendo.  Are you really surprised at the
> response you received?  I imagine that these are common tools in your
> arsenal and that you have received this kind of response fairly
> frequently in your illustrious 35 years of programming service.
> 
> Btw, labelling someone's ideas as "foolish" is also not going to win
> you any supporters and is inappropriate for this mailing list.

In other words, you aren't interested in the *content*.
You are happy to not fix a problem just because of the
attitude of the person who reported it.  That's what I mean
by a lack of inner moral strength.

And if you folks had a sensible bug reporting mechanism instead
of your bug submission page pointing at a mailing list,
you wouldn't be getting something that you consider
"inappropriate".

Since I'm not getting responses of any value to me,
I will simply forward additional ones back to the list
without comment.

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<J Q B>

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