Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT sources DOT redhat DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT sources DOT redhat DOT com Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:09:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200011191709.MAA20986@envy.delorie.com> X-Authentication-Warning: envy.delorie.com: dj set sender to dj AT envy DOT delorie DOT com using -f From: DJ Delorie To: ypisan AT comp DOT mq DOT edu DOT au CC: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com, cgf AT redhat DOT com In-reply-to: <14871.35179.43577.159463@istanbul.mpce.mq.edu.au> (message from Yusuf Pisan on Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:03:55 +1100 (EST)) Subject: Re: Minor updates should not break existing programs (Was Re: OpenGL packaging) References: <4 DOT 3 DOT 2 DOT 7 DOT 0 DOT 20001117150440 DOT 00b12e48 AT courriel DOT polymtl DOT ca> <14871 DOT 8472 DOT 688241 DOT 620444 AT istanbul DOT mpce DOT mq DOT edu DOT au> <20001118220703 DOT A9181 AT redhat DOT com> <14871 DOT 35179 DOT 43577 DOT 159463 AT istanbul DOT mpce DOT mq DOT edu DOT au> > > Maybe. If we feel like it. Probably not, though. > > If the expressed attitude was actually the way things are done, cygwin > would annoy users very quickly and would loose its user base. The underlying problem is that we have an extremely limited number of people working on cygwin, and a long list of things that need to be done. We must prioritize. If you see a problem that is important to *you*, then *you* could choose to fix it. Otherwise, you must rely on some other volunteer to choose to do it. If nobody chooses to fix it, you have no basis for complaint. This isn't the way we *choose* to run the project, it's simply the only *possible* way to run it. > Many a free project has died due to small problems. Except that we are avoiding the small problems because we're busy fixing the big ones. > I like cygwin, I think it is a great effort, and I was puzzled by > seeing an approval for a change which I (mistakenly) thought would > break existing code, so I expressed my opinions. If one volunteers to help, we give great leeway to decide such things. We are grateful to those who help. We are grateful to those who help identify problems. We are less grateful to those who lack respect or appreciation for the effort that is volunteered on their behalf. > I think this forum exists to get feedback from cygwin users. I > think slamming users with 'you get it for free, deal with it' > attitude is not the intention. If you think we're slamming users with a bad attitude, then you have a jaded point of view. In a volunteer effort, we must openly deal with the harsh realities. Resources are scarce and volunteers are tenuous. Volunteers get cooperation and leeway. Unconstructive complainers get a reality check. We wish we could do more for the public, but we must accept our limitations and deal with them. -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com