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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:24:43 -0800
From: "David M. J. Saslav" <dsaslav AT us DOT oracle DOT com>
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Subject: Re: Question on Cygwin User Tool licensing
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Thanks to all for the rapid responses.

The question #2 I am trying to get an answer for does not involve DISTRIBUTING
THE CYGWIN CD TO ANYONE -- rather providing them with the use of the tool long
enough to emulate the product's Unix shell script tools in a classroom
environment -- say, a one to three day experience -- after which all traces of
the Cygwin user tools would be deleted from the NT boxes the students had been
using.  They walk away with nothing but knowledge/awareness of Cygwin tools!  Am
I allowed to download the

I'd like to specify my question further:  the product's command line tools only
use "sh" to work properly.  Does the GPL allow me to download once to the
classroom (on a per-class-experience-basis), install locally to the student NT
machines, run the course, then delete everything as soon as the course is done?

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David Saslav, Bldg 400, Room 580       dsaslav AT us DOT oracle DOT com
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Bernard Dautrevaux wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Faylor [mailto:cgf AT cygnus DOT com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 6:43 PM
> > To: David M. J. Saslav; cygwin AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com
> > Subject: Re: Question on Cygwin User Tool licensing
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 01, 1999 at 08:25:12AM -0800, Earnie Boyd wrote:
> > >--- "David M. J. Saslav" <dsaslav AT us DOT oracle DOT com> wrote:
> > >> I have two questions:
> > >>
> > >> Scenario:
> > >>
> > >> Company builds and ships a set of Unix command line tools
> > as Unix shell
> > >> scripts alongside a proprietary server product.
> > >
> > >No problem.
> > >
> > >> Company ports server product to Windows NT and ships that too, but
> > >> chooses not to convert the Unix shell scripts into .BAT file
> > >> equivalents.
> > >
> > >No problem.
> > >
> > >> Customers with Win32 shell emulation environments (MKS
> > toolkit or Cygwin
> > >> user tools) have no problem invoking and using the Unix
> > shell scripts
> > >> "as is" from NT workstations.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Good! ;)
> >
> > Most of the tools like 'ls', 'awk', 'sed', etc. are
> > distributed under the
> > terms of the GPL.  That means that you must be able to supply
> > your users
> > with the exact sources that were used to create these tools.
> > You can't
> > just post a cygnus URL and say "go there for the sources".
> >
> > Some of the utilities, like sh, are distributed under the BSD license
> > which probably won't present an obstacle.
> >
> > >> Questions:
> > >>
> > >> 1) In the case of Cygwin User tools, does this sort of use require
> > >> purchase or licensing of the Cygwin User tools on the part of the
> > >> Customers?
> > >
> > >Free net downloads.  Or a purchase of the Version 1 CD
> > allows for multiple
> > >installs to as many machines as you wish.
> >
> > NO!  You do *not* have the right to distribute copies of the Cygwin CD
> > to your customers!
> >
> > The answer is that if you adhere to the GPL you won't have to worry
> > about anything.  There is no alternative to this.  You have to comply
> > with the GPL.
> >
> > Since you apparently aren't using the cygwin DLL in your proprietary
> > server, the only thing that you need to worry about is the
> > GPL.  If you
> > are using the Cygwin DLL in your server, then, your server becomes
> > DLL'ed too.
> >
> > If this is unclear, send email to cygwin-info AT cygnus DOT com.
> >
> > >CAVEAT EMPTOR: I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.
> >
> > cgf
> >
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> >
>
> So, if I understand correctly, if I put on a CD togetehre with my software
> (which is proprietary, do not use cygwin.dll, but needs sh, ls, etc.) both
> user.exe for cygwin-B20.1 and the corresponding user.src.tar.gz (or whatever
> the tarball is exactly named) I have no problem, Isn't it?
>
> Regards,
>
>                 Bernard
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Bernard Dautrevaux
> Microprocess Inginiirie
> 97 bis, rue de Colombes
> 92400 COURBEVOIE
> FRANCE
> Tel:    +33 (0) 1 47 68 80 80
> Fax:    +33 (0) 1 47 88 97 85
> e-mail: dautrevaux AT microprocess DOT com
>                 b DOT dautrevaux AT usa DOT net
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