Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com; run by ezmlm Sender: cygwin-owner AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:44:38 +0200 From: Paul Sokolovsky X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.00 Christmas Preview) UNREG Reply-To: Paul Sokolovsky Message-ID: <4989.990225@is.lg.ua> To: Weiqi Gao CC: cygwin AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com Subject: Re[2]: Cygwin participation threshold References: <36D55851 DOT A9AB772A AT a DOT crl DOT com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Weiqi, Weiqi Gao wrote: WG> There is a sense of the "power of personality" in the DJGPP project. WG> For example, DJ never complained about not enough people contributing. WG> And Eli Zarreskii(?) had never gone into an argument with a user, WG> contributing or not. He's been sending out ten pieces of emails per day WG> for three(?) years now, and fifty percent of them are "Read the FAQ". WG> He's accumulated quite a bunch "lose your temper for free" card now! If you imply current discussion, I don't think you're right. I haven't heard any complaints about not enough people contributing from Cygwin people. Instead, they was so attentive to explain this. I don't think that's bad. Such discussion may help them to make cygwin better and make cygwin users better understand cygwin and its developers. As for latter, I think it's an important privilege open source community (and companies) give their members (and users), which many other organizations unable to give. WG> DOS is also more primitive, simpler, and more UNIX like than Windows. WG> And DJGPP is more kernel like than wrapper/call forwarder/translator WG> like than Cygwin. It is higher on the Cool scale than Cygwin. It's WG> almost the "GNU operating system with the DJGPP kernel". I agree with you about DJGPP. I however disagree about Win32. My argument is "They tried hard and they tried long and what they did is exactly POSIX (I prefer that term) system, but it advertizes its POSIXness in rather strange and shy words". I may only feel pity that cygwin can't teach it speak loud and eloquently. WG> Here's a challenge: Name as many as you can, any widely spread free WG> software (in the FSF free speech sense) packages that's originated from WG> DOS/Windows. The closest I can come up is an editor called the PFE WG> (Programmers File Editor) which is a Notepad clone. But you can't get WG> the source of it. From such observations I devised that "two types" theory. ;-) WG> The fact that Microsoft "owns" Windows might have something to do with WG> it. But God with that they own it. What may displease some people is observation that they own all end user sector of computer industry, and more frightenly - attitudes of those users. WG> -- WG> Weiqi Gao WG> weiqigao AT a DOT crl DOT com Best regards, Paul mailto:paul-ml AT is DOT lg DOT ua -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com