From: mvoss AT kuttig DOT com Subject: RE: Newbie questions . 27 Nov 1998 11:33:33 -0800 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: Ugo Matrangolo Cc: gnu-win32 AT cygnus DOT com Hi, I'm a newbie, too, and I want to share my experiences with you. I was not able to compile my "Hello World!" in MSVC within 30 minutes, thus I angrily uninstalled it. Borland C++ builder, however, instantly became my favourite develoment program. Maybe I'll give M$VC another shot at a later time ;-) Thou hast written: U>I used for some time the borland c++ builder and visual c++ . Wat are U>the differences between these monsters and the cyg-win32 ? Wat can i do U>with MSVC++/BB that i cannot do with cyg-win32 ? Okay, first, the Borland C++Builder has this "Object inspector" gadget which I find kind of neat. Also, you can profile, debug and "trace into" your code anytime, anywhere. The GNU debugger sort of makes this pretty complicated, and I think you can totally forget about profiling. I usually resort to "printf"-debugging - outputting the troubled var is usually easier for beginners than using the GNU debugger. 2nd: I don't think you can do visual progrmming in cygwin32. (Klick & Run). If not, someone may yell aloud and tell me the secret how to do it. On the other hand, the advantage of CygWin32 (and MinGW32, which I use in combination with it) is, that it's ABSOLUTELY FREE! It's smaller than the "monsters" (30-50 Megs total), and the EGCS-MinGW32 in my opinion produces better code than C++Builder - at least I think I noticed that....:-) It's also easier to do hardware programming in MinGW32 - just pop in an assembler module, and you're set to go. The C++Builder is made for applications that use forms & database connections - Cygwin32 was made for porting UN*X stuff to Win32. Ask Mumit Khan what he designed MinGW32 for, I think it's a great multi-purpose compiler which I use for game development. It's harder to do multithreading in CygWin32. The cygwin help system sucks. Must be an UN*X junkie - I prefer *.hlp files or HTML-based specs. (Yes, with regard to this, I AM A LAMER! :-( U>Sorry for my poor english . As long as you're understood, nobody cares :-) Regards, Tiger --All typos are made intentionally and serve the entertainment of the reader-- - For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "gnu-win32-request AT cygnus DOT com" with one line of text: "help".