From: zow AT mdbs DOT com (Zow Terry Brugger) Subject: IDEs (was: Please Help...) 20 Feb 1998 00:44:42 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD3D05.6DF2EE50.zow.cygnus.gnu-win32@mdbs.com> Reply-To: "zow AT mdbs DOT com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "'ShmooVe'" , Aram Nahidipour Cc: "gnu-win32 AT cygnus DOT com" Hey Curtis... Yeah. I finally figured that out by looking through part of the doc's again. tehehe... Anyway Another question for everyone. Is there a shell program for gnuwin32? Not specifically for GNU-Win32, available freely. In fact, this is where Cygnus (the ever so belivolient (sp?) creators of GNU-Win32) makes their money: they have an IDE for the system. It looks to be quite good, although I haven't had a chance to use it as we're rather locked into MS's environment here. You might be able to find a generic *nix solution to your problem; for instance at the moment I'm trying to convince XEmacs to compile for GNU-Win32 (if anyone has any experience with that, please let me know). If I get that working, I'll send out an announcement: that could be the kind of solution you're looking for. You see, I'm a college student learning C++ using TC++ and/or DJGPP. (TC at school, and DJ at home :) and I'm really new to UniX and LinuX commands. I am a quick learner though. Ahh. . . the days. . . I seemed to have went thought all the executible's and there seems to be no shell like RHIDE. I thought gdb was the shell, seeing how it's 850k, but it seemed to be some other type of shell I don't understand. Correct. It's the debugger. Take the time to learn it. It's fairly primitive as debuggers go these days, but there are some good GUI front-ends to it (one I know is written in TCL/Tk, so it should work in GNU-Win32, no experience with it). Even with just the command line interface, it will cut your debugging time by an order of magnitude. It will eliminate those stupid cout's of all of your variables. I wish that I had spent more time learning it when I was at your stage. I'm doing the best out of everyone in my C++ class so I'm not code illeratate (but i can't spell) by far. As I said before, the days. . . It's just I don't know how to, let's say, write code in wordpad and then compile it with gcc without help files etc.... Ouu. . . Wordpad. . . bad way to edit source. . . Try Emacs: There's a link to it from Cygnus's ported software page. There are also a ton of programmer's editors out there: dl some evals and test them out. They're worth the small outlay of cash (even for a starving college student). I hate to say it, but I like MS's Visual editor the best of all the Win32 editors I've used. In fact, I used Visual J++ just for the editor (and compiled w/ Sun's JDK) until VisualAge for Java came out. You should be able to get VC++ at an academic price (which was like $99 when I got mine four years ago). You may also want to check the gcc infopage. This requires an info viewer. This might be in the NT Emacs port mentioned above. Barring that, you should be able to find the info on-line. I think gnu's site has their all their info trees on it. Thanx for everyones help Jimmy McMillan You're welcome, Terry - For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "gnu-win32-request AT cygnus DOT com" with one line of text: "help".