From: garbanzo AT hooked DOT net (Alex) Subject: Re: Win 95 console business 5 Nov 1997 01:06:08 -0800 Message-ID: References: <971105000859 DOT 23851 AT cse DOT unsw DOT edu DOT au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Benjamin Constable Cc: gnu-win32 AT cygnus DOT com On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Benjamin Constable wrote: > I reboot my NT box to put new drivers on or to play games in win95, or to > save power. Never any sooner. *chuckle* > I agree that NT could do with a gcc kind of compiler free with the OS. But > expecting VC++ to come free is like expecting a free copy of suns visual > tools with every sun box. However SunPro is lacking in some ways, and in C++ tools (including debuggers) gcc and SunPro compliment each other. > And have you ever used VC++? It compiles faster and makes better code than > gcc does (last time I looked) and it has a far nicer environment. It compiles faster, and might produce better code, however, it has one of the worst interfaces I've ever used. Try BC++ 4.5 or C++ Builder if you want visual. I rather dislike how kludgy VC++'s interface is. In fact you can download a C++ Builder demo, that's pretty darned functional. > apart from gcc. As a matter of fact, it just makes NT look more appealing > every time it improves, because it means you can run a wider and wider > range of software on your machine. I can run Win32 programs without NT or 95. I can run two types of Linux binaries, SCO binaries, BSDI binaries, and FreeBSD binaries on my machine. Can NT do that? I think not. NT is a pretty face, but really not much else as far as I'm concerned. > And if you think that gcc can compete with VC++, you have something coming > to you. Unless there is a free visual user interface creation tool out > there too bolt onto it. *cl00bat* emacs. > Look at the name of it: gnu-win32. Notice the win32 bit? This mailing > exist would not exist without MS. It's sad that this list needs to exist, because of MS's lacking, and lackluster development of NT. I like the _idea_ of NT or even 95. But anything that took THREE big cumilative patches to add basic error trapping to the system calls, really is sad. I still like the interface though, but that doestn't change that it sucks as a development enviroment. - alex - For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "gnu-win32-request AT cygnus DOT com" with one line of text: "help".