From: jhouston AT walldata DOT com (Houston, Jerry) Subject: RE: Help on programming 17 Oct 1997 18:54:51 -0700 Message-ID: <199710171434.HAA17692.cygnus.gnu-win32@cygnus.com> To: gnu-win32 AT cygnus DOT com You poor thing! How many other lucrative technical careers or fascinating hobbies do you imagine are available to you without so much as buying a book? As a matter of fact, there is a LOT of free knowledge available from microsoft.com, if you take the time to look. I would imagine that the reason the folks on the programming newsgroup talk about MFC a lot is because they're mostly professionals. They're getting paid big bucks to create robust Win32 apps using the most appropriate tools available, which in many cases means they need to use MFC. Why write your own 30,000 lines of OLE and ActiveX code, f'instance, when well-tested stuff comes with the compiler? And incidentally, many compilers are sold with MFC classes. Microsoft licenses it to other vendors, and it's become quite an industry standard. For casual personal experimentation with Win32, Microsoft's "fancy schmancy" MFC classes aren't important to know about. In fact, the more you know about the underlying Win32 API, the better. However, when I interview a programmer candidate, I'm most impressed by those who are already familiar with the architecture they'll need to work with here. It means I'll need to teach them much less about their chosen craft to begin with, and they can get to work and become productive much sooner. XWindows? Right! Now THERE's something in the process of taking the world by storm. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse L. Marlin [SMTP:jlm AT compgen DOT com] > Subject: Re: Help on programming > > On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Darren Rauckman wrote: > > This seems to be a trend in Windows programming, in order to learn how > to > do it, you have to buy a book. 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