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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 13:41:00 +0200
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Subject: Re: Documenting Cygwin on NFS, no longer only exchange-medium! Re:
 How to fix |mkfifo()| failure if |pathname| is on NFS ? / was: Re: [EXTERNAL]
 Re: mkfifo: cannot set permissions of 'x.fifo': Not a directory
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Cc: Corinna Vinschen <corinna-cygwin@cygwin.com>
From: Joshuah Hurst via Cygwin <cygwin@cygwin.com>
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On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 2:35 PM Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin
<cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
>
> On Aug 26 19:44, Martin Wege via Cygwin wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 2:19 PM Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin
> > <cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Aug 23 01:05, Roland Mainz via Cygwin wrote:
> > > > Note that Cygwin does not interpret the file |myfifo.fifo| as FIFO,
> > > > instead it comes back as a symlink "myfifo.fifo -> ':\0:c4:1000'".
> > > >
> > > > AFAIK there are (at least) these two options to fix the problems:
> > > > 1. Check whether the filesystem for the fifos path is NFS
> > > > (cgywin.dll's |fs.fs_is_nfs()|), and if it is a symlink check if it
> > > > starts with ':\0:c4:' (assuming "c4" is the prefix for inodes created
> > > > with |mkfifo()|). If this condition is |true|, then cygwin |stat()|,
> > > > |open()| etc. should treat this inode as FIFO.
> > >
> > > The downside is that it is not possible to diffentiate between Cygwin
> > > FIFOs and real FIFOs created from the remote side in `ls -l'
> > > output.  Note that Cygwin returns the NFS stat info verbatim, so
> > > a real FIFO is returned as a real FIFO:
> > >
> > >   linux$ mkfifo bar
> > >   cygwin$ ls -l bar
> > >   prw-r--r-- 1 corinna vinschen  0 Aug 25 13:58 bar
> > >
> > > The idea was always to use NFS as exchange medium, but not as
> > > installation medium for the entire distro or to keep Cygwin home
> > > dirs on NFS.  There were times where NFS was pretty unstable.
> > > I used NFS for quite some time to build Cygwin packages, but at one
> > > point I got trouble (performance problems with multiple concurrent
> > > processes accessing an NFS share, build errors out of the blue),
> > > so I switched to Samba shares, albeit grudgingly.  I'm not yet
> > > sure if the problems are fixed.  At least a recent OpenSSH build
> > > ran through without problems...
> >
> > Corinna, could you please update the Cygwin documentation then? We use
> > NFS, both Windows builtin and CITI NFSv4.1, with Cygwin for years
> > without major problems, so that comment about exchange-medium-only is
> > clearly wrong!
>
> I'm talking about the idea how users would use NFS, and the idea was
> that nobody in their right mind would use a crippled filesystem (from
> the Windows POV) for the entire installation.  Before you came up with
> your complaints, nobody here even knew that somebody actually did that.
>
> NFS is a niche filesystem on Windows and was never in the focus of
> anybody here, except me, because I was toying around with it and was
> happy to have it working.  As far as I knew until a few days ago,
> I was the only user of Cygwin's NFS support.
>
> As for FIFOs on NFS, as I wrote, they never worked as desired on NFS.
> For kicks I tried back until Cygwin 3.3.  Given this isn't a regression,
> it won't be fixed for Cygwin 3.4.
>
> As Brian wrote in his reply to your mail, we are all volunteers here.
> Everybody working on Cygwin is working in their spare time and/or on the
> goodwill of their employer.
>
> Cygwin is open source.  You can fix or implement stuff yourself and send
> the patches to the cygwin-patches ML for review.  Otherwise you will
> have to let us, the people actually working on the project, decide when
> and how something gets implemented.
>
> Having said that, I have a local patch enabling FIFOs on NFS.  I might
> push it at one point to the main branch, but the pressure you guys are
> currently building up on this mailing list puts me right off.

Corinna, please do not let people put you off. I don't even think it
was intended as pressure.

Could you please share the patch for testing?
-- 
Josh

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