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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:53:39 -0400
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> On 2016-04-12 09:41, Corinna Vinschen wrote:

>> On Apr 12 14:58, Marco Atzeri wrote:
>>> On 12/04/2016 14:50, Andrew Schulman wrote: By now I guess most of us 
>>> have seen the reports of bash, and in fact a full Linux userland, 
>>> running natively in Windows 10:
>>> http://www.osnews.com/story/29149/Microsoft_and_Canonical_partner_to_bring_Ubuntu_to_Windows_10 
>>> [1] 
>>> >>http://www.hanselman.com/blog/DevelopersCanRunBashShellAndUsermodeUbuntuLinuxBinariesOnWindows10.aspx [2]
>>> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2016/03/ubuntu-on-windows.html [3]
>>> It's in beta release and doesn't seem to have been widely tested yet. 
>>> Apparently Microsoft has developed an API translation layer, simliar 
>>> to the Cygwin DLL, to make this work. But unlike with Cygwin, Linux 
>>> apps don't have to be rebuilt - they can run natively as-is in 
>>> Windows 10. So you can get, allegedly, the full Linux userland 
>>> out-of-the-box. The first link cited above suggests that if this is 
>>> all it claims to be, it would remove the need for Cygwin. I can see 
>>> the point. Has anyone had a chance to try this new feature? Does it 
>>> work as well as is claimed? I realize this may be strictly off-topic 
>>> here, but it seems to me to be potentially so important to the future 
>>> of Cygwin that it's worth discussing here insted of on cygwin-talk. 
>>> Andrew Before W10 became the standard it will take some time. 
>>> Considering the previous history of Microsoft with Windows Services 
>>> for UNIX (SFU) , my feeling is 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes [4] If 
>>> they really would like to port Unix on MS, it will be enough to 
>>> provide Corinna with a simple way to implement fork....

>> Huh, right. If only...

>> https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/afdf1b68-1f3e-47f5-94cf-51e397afe073/ 
>> [5]

>> Corinna

I don't think I'll count on Microsoft to maintain a usable Bash shell 
without twerping it in some fashion so it becomes incompatible (like 
they tried with numerous other products they "adopted"). The comment on 
Greeks and gifts is right on target.

While Bash in Windows would be great, I just don't think Microsoft can 
be trusted. I'll keep Cygwin available even after I'm forced to give up 
my perfectly good Win XP OS and adopt the truly horrible Win 10 OS and 
its attendant interface fiasco (yes I do miss Win 3.11 for workgroups).

In the mean time, this was funny (in case you need your mood lightened) 
and very slightly on the bash topic (near the end). Hitler uses Docker: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivpCKEiQOQ

Brian

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