X-Recipient: archive-cygwin@delorie.com X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,KHOP_THREADED,SPF_NEUTRAL,TW_XM,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Message-ID: <501A7E31.100@cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:18:41 -0400 From: Ken Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: How to keep a dependency from [continually] appearing in setup References: <50185716.8050504@cornell.edu> <50191B67.5010106@cs.utoronto.ca> <50192B7B.5060501@cornell.edu> <50193AA8.8050307@cs.utoronto.ca> <50197B86.9060308@cornell.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-CORNELL-SPAM-CHECKED: Pawpaw X-Original-Sender: kbrown@cornell.edu - Thu Aug 2 09:18:48 2012 X-PMX-CORNELL-REASON: CU_White_List_Override X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin@cygwin.com On 8/2/2012 5:14 AM, Adam Dinwoodie wrote: > Ken Brown wrote: >> On 8/1/2012 10:18 AM, Ryan Johnson wrote: >>> It can be argued that emacs-auctex should not pull in texlive. Most >>> users installing emacs-auctex will already have some flavor of tex in >>> place, and not necessarily the cygwin one (like the OP, or perhaps a >>> MikTex user). Plus, the error message is pretty intuitive and the >>> solution very simple, if latex is not there: "latex: no such command" >>> ==> "maybe I should install latex." Therefore, the expected aggregate >> >> There's more to it than that. emacs-auctex installs stuff needed for >> its preview feature in /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/preview/. This won't >> be found by native texlive or by MikTeX. >> >>> frustration of users who installed auctex without latex available would >>> likely be far lower than the aggregate frustration of users wanting to >>> install auctex and getting saddled with an unwanted redundant texlive >>> distribution (for which there is no easy solution). >> >> Why is this so frustrating? It doesn't do any harm (except waste a >> small amount of disk space) to install Cygwin's texlive in parallel with >> native texlive. Just make sure the bin directory of the latter precedes >> /usr/bin in PATH. I myself have both installed, since I sometimes find >> it useful for testing purposes to be able to switch from one to the >> other (by temporarily changing PATH). > > I'd draw a parallel between the emacs-auctex's dependency on latex and libX11's > dependency on xorg-server: while xorg-server is certainly the preferred X > server for Cygwin, it's not the only option[0]. > > [0]: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2012-02/msg00602.html The situations aren't parallel. Cygwin's libX11 will work with X servers other than xorg-server. But Cygwin's emacs-auctex, as I explained above, will not work OOTB with tex installations other than Cygwin's texlive. The preview feature will be broken. Users who prefer a different tex installation and want to use auctex should build and install auctex themselves. During installation, auctex will find the appropriate texmf tree and put its preview files there. Ken -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple