X-Recipient: archive-cygwin@delorie.com X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_HELO_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Message-ID: <4E6F7AA1.4090808@redhat.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:45:37 -0600 From: Eric Blake User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110831 Fedora/3.1.12-2.fc14 Lightning/1.0b3pre Mnenhy/0.8.3 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin@cygwin.com, bug-gettext@gnu.org Subject: Re: cygwin started speaking German today References: <7856072A9D04C24B82DFE2B1112FE38A0C27492B56@MCHP058A.global-ad.net> <201109081246.23238.bruno@clisp.org> <4E68AF35.9030002@cwilson.fastmail.fm> <201109082344.55506.bruno@clisp.org> <4E69D9EA.2050004@cwilson.fastmail.fm> <20110909145921.GA27289@calimero.vinschen.de> In-Reply-To: <20110909145921.GA27289@calimero.vinschen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin@cygwin.com On 09/09/2011 08:59 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Sep 9 13:33, Andy Koppe wrote: >> The 'C.UTF-8' default locale is not a bug, it was a deliberate design decision. > > Exactly. And it has been discussed a lot on the cygwin-apps mailing > list. > > And above all, there *is* an official way for the user to align the > Cygwin locale with the Windows locale, see the -s and -u options > of the locale(1) command: > > http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using-utils.html#locale On 09/09/2011 09:09 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >> OK, then the following four facilities are needed in Cygwin. >> >> 1) We need the name of the locale which is in effect when the user has >> not specified environment variables. > > In Fedora, for instance, the fallback is what is set as system default > in /etc/sysconfig/i18n. > > In Cygwin the fallback is the system default set in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh > or /etc/profile.d/lang.csh. > > Why should libintl use anything else on Cygwin, but not on Linux? > Given this, I think the bug is in cygwin for having base files /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} which hardcode LANG to C.UTF-8 instead of using locale -s -u to default LANG to the preferred Windows settings. Libintl should NOT be second-guessing an explicit setting of LANG, but cygwin should NOT be explicitly setting LANG to C.UTF-8 in its default startup scripts without any regards to the Windows settings. Whether setlocale(LC_ALL,"") returns C.UTF-8 or a Windows-appropriate string _when LANG is undefined_ is still worth solving, but right now, an out-of-the-box cygwin installation _always has LANG defined_ by the default startup scripts. So our first focus should be to get that setting of LANG fixed to honor Windows, and to teach libintl that when LANG is set we really meant it. -- Eric Blake eblake@redhat.com +1-801-349-2682 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple