X-Recipient: archive-cygwin@delorie.com X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Message-ID: <4AFCEE6A.3060409@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:28:10 +0000 From: Dave Korn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: [OT] Re: ID command returns mkgroup References: <4AFB0EEA.4020806@cygwin.com> <4AFB527A.1040007@cygwin.com> <4AFC3695.5050400@cygwin.com> <4AFC9E82.7090401@gmail.com> <4AFCCD46.20900@cygwin.com> In-Reply-To: <4AFCCD46.20900@cygwin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin@cygwin.com Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: > On 11/12/2009 06:47 PM, Dave Korn wrote: >> Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >>> On 11/12/2009 09:14 AM, Dexter_Michael@emc wrote: >>>> Should my ID output be the same as when I log into a unix server >>>> here, or would it be different? My cygwin is running on a Windows >>>> workstation so maybe it is grabbing my AD groups as opposed to my NIS >>>> groups. >>> >>> The former. Cygwin operates on Windows to create a POSIXy environment >>> on Windows. It's not a Linux/UNIX VM running on Windows. >> >> ITYM "the latter". Grabbing the AD groups is exactly what is going on. >> (I'm inferring that Mike is in a heterogeneous environment with >> essentially separate user accounts on the Unix and Windows sides, based >> on YP/NIS and AD respectively.) > > Since we're in violent agreement about what was meant, I don't think it > really matters however "former" refers to the first of two things > mentioned. The "latter" refers to the second. I know exactly what the terms mean, but I took your answer as being a reply to the question: >>>> Should my ID output be the same as when I log into a unix server >>>> here, or would it be different? rather than a response to the not-really-a-question-more-a-hypothesis: >>>> My cygwin is running on a Windows >>>> workstation so maybe it is grabbing my AD groups as opposed to my NIS >>>> groups. I think your usage is a bit peculiar here. Try each part on its own: a) >> Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >>> On 11/12/2009 09:14 AM, Dexter_Michael@emc wrote: >>>> Should my ID output be the same as when I log into a unix server >>>> here, or would it be different? >>> The former. Here, "the former" is factually wrong, it should be "the latter", but the overall construct makes grammatical sense. b) >> Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >>> On 11/12/2009 09:14 AM, Dexter_Michael@emc wrote: >>>> My cygwin is running on a Windows >>>> workstation so maybe it is grabbing my AD groups as opposed to my NIS >>>> groups. >>> >>> The former. Here, it is indeed "the former" of the two things that is going on, but the form of the response is grammatically odd in reply to a sentence that isn't an explicit question. It needs a verb. "The former is occurring", or "Yes, that's what is happening" would sound more natural. Or even just plain "Yes"; it's not asking "(A) or (B)?", so a response indicating A or indicating B isn't right; it's asking "(A and not B)?", to which a yes/no response seems appropriate. I thought you were doing a) rather than b), so misguidedly corrected that error, only because it was (under that reading) factually incorrect (the correct response being "the latter - your ID output would be different"); I wouldn't have bothered to pick nits with your grammar for its own sake but the unusual formation misled me about the meaning of the sentence. Heh. Total communication breakdown. I corrected what I thought was one error instead of a second one, then you thought I had misunderstood a third thing rather than a fourth! cheers, DaveK -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple