From: "Dave Korn" <dave.korn@artimi.com>
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Subject: RE: Bug: C-prog from Win dies in fork; gdb.exe also won't run
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:58:37 -0000
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Brian Dessent wrote on 12 March 2008 17:25:

> a) figure out which module of the process is the main one
> b) look up its ImageBase
> c) compute which page in that processes' VM corresponds to that
> ImageBase plus some magic offset (which also implicitly means that all
> subsystems must use exactly the same image header format for
> the entire
> lifespan of the operating system, a pretty lousy way to
> design a kernel)
> d) query the memory manager if that page is currently in the
> working set
> e) incurr a page fault if it is not
> f) wait for the disk manager to page in that sector from the pagefile,
> or from the image on the filesystem if the page has not been modified

  Brian?  We're in kernel mode here, but we aren't in a device driver
interrupt or DPC in some random process context; we're running in the
process space of the calling process, and can just read or write it like
ordinary memory.

> ... And doing this for every syscall?!?  

  No, since the code that implements this restriction is *only* executed
when you call NtSetInformationProcess with class equal to 9
(ProcessAccessToken).

> And that doesn't even begin to
> address the most obvious of security issues of having the
> kernel rely on
> userspace structures when enforcing access restrictions.

  MS are not known for being entirely clever about security.

  Anyway, I don't want to speculate.  I want to get my hands on a Vista
machine and go digging around with WinDbg.

    cheers,
      DaveK
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