Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin@cygwin.com Message-ID: <42714EA3.3070802@kitware.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:59:15 -0400 From: Brad King User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Re: sshd and /usr/bin/zsh References: <4270FD0F.8030702@kitware.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Christopher Faylor wrote: >On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 02:53:09PM -0400, Brad King wrote: >>Oops, sorry. My eyes scrolled through the left column of the web page >>and found "FAQ". When the problem was not in the FAQ I went back and >>scrolled up and found "Mailing Lists" before noticing the "Reporting >>Problems" link. I suggest you add a link to >>http://cygwin.com/problems.html from http://cygwin.com/lists.html in the >>description of when posting to the main cygwin list is okay. >Yeah, we should probably >http://cygwin.com/problems.html> have >known better than to think > that anyone >http://cygwin.com/problems.html> would read > the left bar Heh :) I agree that there are plenty of places where this link appears. However, just the fact that you replied in this manner tells me that this is a common mistake by users. In my case I made an honest attempt to post properly (I run several mailing lists so I understand the problem). What I described was a reasonable path to get to the mailing list in which I never saw the link. I then suggested a way to plug the hole in this path to save you and others this trouble in the future. Most projects I've seen have the following desired policy for posting to a list: 1.) Read the FAQ 2.) Read the mailing list policy 3.) Post to the list Here is what happens when I follow this policy on the cygwin page: 1.) I find the FAQ link in the left column. The FAQ does not help my problem. 2.) I go back to the front page and my eyes scroll up from FAQ looking for mailing lists. Since the link for reporting problems is above mailing lists I get to the mailing list link first. This is how I missed the link on the front page. 3.) I follow the mailing list link and the page starts with "Is there a mailing list for the project? Yes. There are several. They are listed below." I scroll through the mailing list page looking for the set of available lists mentioned at the top. This is how I missed the link in the middle of the 8 paragraphs of text. I see a "cygwin" list and read its policy, which has a nice set of bullet points. There is no mention of the problems page here. This is where I suggest it be added. 4.) I send a message to the list without subscribing and it works. This is how I missed the link included in the welcome message. -Brad -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/